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kleinbl00  ·  3118 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Is There Anything Good About Men?

Fair enough. At the same time, recognize that _refugee_ hasn't talked to me in three days because I dared to support the notion that maybe men and women are different in ways other than "men are evil, women aren't."

And I've had this argument, over and over again, where some attempt is made to divine a reason for inequality other than "men are evil" and the consensus opinion remains "it is taboo to discuss the idea that men aren't evil." Which is what you're doing - you're arguing that it's inappropriate to explore the prevalence of men in history to explain the prevalence of men in history. You're arguing, in effect, that you'd humor the argument if only he'd made a completely different argument.

This is the argument that was made. This is the argument being discussed. Instead of the default "women are better and different" or "men are worse and different" the discussion is "how are men different?" and a hypothesis was put forth. Reject that hypothesis if you want, but don't rejected on the basis that it isn't the hypothesis you wish to discuss.





thundara  ·  3117 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, for a bit of context, coffeesp00ns told me off the other day for my use of language and I got dumped last month for being too politically apathetic. I'm not really in a position to judge others morals and, even if I were, I'm trying my best these days to try and be non-judgemental towards other people and actually understand all the compassion and mindfulness preachings that the hippies I lived around in Berkeley used to always talk about.

I think my dispute in this case is that, yeah, each gender's innate abilities is a touchy subject, so I don't like seeing what I see as poorly reasoned argument being put forth as fact. Like I said though, author is definitely not MRA-y about what he says, so I'm only poking at one component of his essay / speech.

b_b  ·  3117 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Anyone who dumps you for being politically apathetic is someone you don't want to be with anyway :)

Hard not to be apathetic in the Age of Trump. I can't help but watch the car fire, but I only wish I had the guts to look away.

_refugee_  ·  3118 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Woah buddy, hold up. First, when do we ever talk every 3 days? Second, who have I talked to in hubski at all in the past 3 days?

kleinbl00  ·  3118 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Exactly.

_refugee_  ·  3118 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is this your way of getting me to participate more? How's it working, champ?

kleinbl00  ·  3118 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is my way of making sure we good.

_refugee_  ·  3118 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You know, that fanfic guy had the decency to contact me via PM to ask the same thing, and I haven't even gotten back to him.

kleinbl00  ·  3118 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hey, I gotta be me.