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user-inactivated  ·  3183 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Anyone here see this? Bernie Sanders speech stopped.

If I may interject, and just add a few thoughts here, because I value you and what you bring to this site.

    But the thing is, you're not a troll.

Let's just focus on this, for one quick minute, because I think it's part of the core of the issue. Neither aidrocsid or TheVenerableCain strike me as trolls, engaging in trollish behavior on the regular. They're regular, honest folk, like you and me. If we were all to compare ourselves, we'd find we probably have a lot of common ground (after all, we've all found ourselves gravitated to this community for starters) but there's also a lot of differences between the four of us. Racial yes, but possibly regional, economic, and other cultural differences as well. As we get older it becomes more difficult to see things from other perspectives because we slowly become more and more set in our world view. I think it's important to keep this in mind when we interact with each other, because sometimes through carelessness and lack of understanding, we will offend each other from time to time, but I think it's important that to realize that unlike trolls, we don't set out in the morning to be deliberately hurtful to each other in our actions.

Now, I can see how what aidrocsid is upsetting to see and read and your reaction is understandable as well. I think it's important to note though, that this is one of those times where he just happened to be careless about how he worded things, coming off as hateful and hurtful when he's sharing what he feels. This is a great teaching moment, for you or for someone else, to say "Hey, bro. What you're saying is unfair and here's why." In a way, you attempted to do that, but it was also very harsh and now there's a whole back and forth starting and we're all finding ourselves digging a deep hole here. Sometimes, it really is best to say to ourselves "Hey. I can't talk about this in a rational, mellow way, so I'm just going to leave it for now." I've done it before on a few issues myself and I know I'll have to do it again in the future and that leads into the other statement you made.

    Why should I? Honest question. I am not hubski's Black Avenger.

You don't have to take it upon yourself to address the issue every time it comes up, with every single person. After a while, the discussions get old and repetitive and you'll soon find that while your desire to hold the discussions are still there, the passion is gone and that'll kill it for you. It's okay to take a break from it once in a while, especially on a site like Hubski when we have people like kleinbl00, r6y9yd8lar5u1mugbz, and others who are very intelligent, insightful, well educated, and eloquent speakers who can also participate if they so choose.

eightbitsamurai, you're a truly awesome dude and you bring a lot to this site. Be here to have fun, be here to teach and to learn, to interact with others and share what you have to offer and feel free to leave it at that. You don't have to let this site become your personal chore, a part of your daily grind. Sometimes it's okay to just step away for a bit. It sucks that minimum_wage left and I barely knew her. I do know you though and enjoy what you have to share and I can honestly say that even though I've known you for like a month, personally it would suck 10 times more to see you leave too.



_refugee_  ·  3183 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dude but the thing is 8bit has already been way scaling back his time on the site. So your solution is to walk away when he's already been walking away for months. Like, dude used to be way active and I love him and missed him even before this shit went down today. To be honest, the next step of "walking away" for 8bit WAS leaving the site. He couldn't have gotten any further otherwise.

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thewoodenaisle  ·  3183 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Let's just focus on this, for one quick minute, because I think it's part of the core of the issue. Neither aidrocsid or TheVenerableCain strike me as trolls, engaging in trollish behavior on the regular.

What is up with this website's obsession of labelling people who you disagree with as trolls?

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ButterflyEffect  ·  3183 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We're bad at coexisting with people who have different opinions and need to label them to feel better at night.

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aidrocsid  ·  3183 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think it's just this website. The internet, especially in the last decade or so, has developed a tendency to cluster people and their activities into little bubbles. People are more comfortable with reinforcing their own ideas than challenging them or even accepting the possibility that somebody disagrees with them and isn't a complete moron or piece of shit. When you really can surround yourself with people who agree with you all the time, or at least who seem to, it becomes easy to take any disagreement as antagonism.

We also seem to live in particularly ideologically heated times. Whether that has anything to do with the internet or not I don't know.

Anyway I'd say that if anything Hubski is less likely to assume that disagreement means you're a troll or an asshole than other sites. Some people seem to get really upset about disagreement here, but from what I can tell they're in the minority.

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TheVenerableCain  ·  3183 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You word things much gentler than what I'm capable of. I wish I could write a program that takes my thoughts and puts them through a(an?) rd95 filter in order to make them more palatable.

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