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b_b  ·  4370 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: One year after the french burqa-ban
I see women wearing a burqa several times per week at the hospital where I work, which I imagine is a lot more than most people in North America come across them. I still get weirded out by it. Especially when the husband is there, because he is usually dressed in modern American clothes, walking one or two steps out in front. The subtext seems to be something awful, but I can never quite say what. Its definitely something like "You should be ashamed of who you are; you aren't really fit to fully participate in society." What bothers me more is the willingness of the women. They aren't really being forced into this, which means that they don't view themselves as full members of society. Until there is a Mid-East sexual revolution, this won't change.




speeding_snail  ·  4369 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Doesn't living in a country mean that you adapt yourself to the culture of that country? In Europe and North America women are equal to men and full face covering clothing are not done in most cases. So, if you live in for example France, where religion is a personal thing and is socially banned from public space, common sense would dictate that you do not wear a niqab as a muslim or a Kippah as a jew etc.
b_b  ·  4369 days ago  ·  link  ·  
America, of course, was founded on religious freedom. People often only read that as freedom of religion, while completely missing freedom from religion, equally, or perhaps more, important. This seem to be a case where the two are at odds. I am not for disallowing someone to practice the way they want, but they should not be openly oppressed either.

Anyway this is only viewed as a "religious" matter because it happens in Muslim countries. But in actuality, women covering themselves in the Mideast predates Islam. Its a cultural practice, not a religious one.

speeding_snail  ·  4369 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I don't think this is purely cultural. It ended up in the Koran, therefore, it is a religious practice for the people of Muslim faith. This is also the case with Christianity. Religion, by nature, absorbs customs from each of the places it has a foothold. And in that process the practice becomes religious, because it is now imposed by the religion, no longer by the local culture. As such, you will never see a christian with a niqab and you won't see a muslim with a miter.

That aside, religion is culture and will have to be incorporated into and changed by the new society, just like the veil was incorporated into the islam. And bans are one way of doing it...

b_b  ·  4369 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I agree that its part of Islam now, but I reject the claim that God has commanded women, through the Koran, to be modest and cover themselves, mainly because it is not in the Koran (well, and that I think its pure bullshit to begin with, but that's not the point here). They are kidding themselves like Catholics kid themselves into believing that the Church hierarchy has anything whatsoever to do with the Bible. Here is a nice discussion about Islam and the veil. I don't know how authoritative it is, but it seems insightful.
speeding_snail  ·  4369 days ago  ·  link  ·  
If this article is representative, then the whole issue is a non-issue. It is in no real sense commanded via the Koran, thus no religious thing at all. Still part of the Islamic culture, but not religiously mandated.

Edit: Afterthought