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OftenBen  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Another theater shooting. 3 dead 7 injured in Lafayette, Louisiana

A mental health issue disguised as a civil liberties issue.





kleinbl00  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes and no. Americans are crazier than most but still:

Now let's talk about guns:

It's simplistic to say either/or. Fact of the matter is, when you marinate in guns you see guns as viable solutions to problems. Doesn't mean the problems aren't real, but it does mean that in places without guns, gun violence is a less prevalent approach.

Should we place more emphasis on mental health? Absolutely. Should we insist that we do something about mental health before addressing the prevalence of gun violence in the United States through gun control?

I don't think so. I think there are at least two fronts to the fight and the resources for each are different. Yeah, I get why militias are important and I'm a big fan of civil liberties but it's always struck me as weird that I needed $25, a driver's license and a 4-part form in order to pull a trout out of a lake but it only cost me $59 to buy a chinese assault rifle and the dude didn't so much as check ID.

Herunar  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You hit the nail on the head here. There needs to be a two-pronged approach to this sort of thing. Mental health issues are abundant, that's without a doubt true; but it also true that having access to a lot of weaponry and having those mental problems means that a lot of people die. Needlessly. It is frustrating to see it happen, again and again and again...

user-inactivated  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, seeing as how you can't legally purchase a gun if you have a clinical history of mental health problems, closing both the individual sale and gun show loopholes could go a long way. Also, going further, we could also do more to encourage the purchasing of gun safes, trigger locks, etc. to prevent people from taking firearms that don't belong to them and committing crimes.

tla  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And as much as it's tempting to focus on the villainy of the shooter. He is a victim too.

He is a victim of his demons, and of the still exclusive healthcare system, and of a society that enabled him do the wrong thing.

am_Unition  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yep.

Never did buy a piece. But damn, if Texas's marinade isn't thick and smelly.

Edit: sorry for the link quality, audio in particular ;)

hyperflare  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Other countries have mentally ill people too. No other country has so many shootings.

user-inactivated  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Other countries also have better systems for treating mental health and less guns, so if course their rates of gun violence will be lower. That's part of the point kleinbl00 was making.

hyperflare  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, kleinbl00 basically expressed the viewpoint I hold as well. I just feel that OftenBen's comment is another one of those trite phrases people use to excuse the US's gun policy.

user-inactivated  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

As someone who supports both the owning of firearms as well as better laws and policies for them, I find the rhetoric on both sides absolutely maddening. People are constantly parroting bullet points without actually thinking about the whether or not the logic behind them is sound. It does nobody a hint of good.

hyperflare  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

As a German seeing gun-ownership defended just seems like such a bad idea. I don't invest myself much in those debates because the pro-gun camp seem so obviously wrong, you know? Like, you have all these security measures at airports, but hand out guns to people? In my opinion if one life was saved by nobody owning guns it would be worth it. But since you support gun ownership, why do you think having them is a good idea?

user-inactivated  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I made a whole post. It's long. It's not very well written. I'm sorry.

user-inactivated  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I would love to share my views. I'm currently stuck at work, but when I get home tonight I'll put out a detailed response.