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user-inactivated  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Let's talk about Wes Anderson and the hype...

I have the complete opposite opinion of you. Have you seen Bottle Rocket? It is his first film and completely lacks the grandiose Anderson visual aesthetic. Still has Anderson dialogue.

    He is mainstream and accessible, yet has a quirky style with obnoxious framing, grandios dialogue, and 'fun' color palettes. Because of these quirks, the gen public lauds him and acts like he is an arthouse director or someone totally weeeird. In my lower level cinema class, 90% of the class listed Wes Anderson as one of their favorite directors, usually next to Tarantino.

Compared to mainstream cinema he is weird. Tarantino's quirk is his storytelling format. Anderson's is his visual style which personally I appreciate as totally unrealistic. Movies have a burden of being 1:1 representations of reality, what you through the lens is, excluding cgi, an accurate representation of reality. Wes Anderson deliberately break this through his visual style. They are meant to be a false, idealized reality. For example in The Grand Budapest Agatha is described as having a birthmark that looks like Mexico and in the movie it is literally in the shape of Mexico. Everything in TGB is exaggerated because it is based on storytelling of Zero, not reality.

I think he is one of the best directors out there because 1. Obviously. I like his movies and find them enjoyable on every successive viewing. 2. He has a unique visual style that he has mastered. 3. His dialogue is different and interesting. When Suzy asks Sam if Snoopy was a good dog and Sam says "Who's to say?" Man that just connected with me I love it. 4. He writes original screenplays which I appreciate.

I feel like I'm just rambling and I dont think there is anything that will change your mind. If you don't like the style of his movies you will hate them because they are drenched in his aesthetic. I also think that just because his style is bold and in your face doesnt make it bad, just polarizing.





shappyrohman  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have not seen Bottle Rocket, but I don't think it matters regarding my problems with him. What he made in the beginning may be different, but his current output is what I am exposed to and where I take issue. i may love Bottle Rocket, it's on my list to watch.

Wes is piggybacking off of the French New Wave (which he absolutely loves) with regard to visual style and alerting the viewers to the fact they are watching a movie. I don't mind paying homage to the New Wave, I just think Wes is waaaay too heavy-handed.

I respect your taste , he's just not my cup of tea I suppose. I'm more of a dark, mysterious, brooding type. Gimme movies that just show despondent frenchmen smoking cigarettes for 3 hrs and call it a day haha

user-inactivated  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I am guessing your a La Haine fan?

shappyrohman  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Good guess ;)

Seriously though, French films feature more on-screen smoking time than any other nationality

user-inactivated  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That is a movie we can agree on haha. I havent seen much french film the only two I can think of off the top of my head are La Haine and Amelie.

Do you have a letterboxd?

elizabeth  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You've never seen Amélie Poulain? I don't now how well it translates because the dialogues is just genius but the cinematography is amazing too. I have to re-watch it. Maybe be do #movieclub french movies next?

shappyrohman  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

#movieclub for French movies would be my dream come true! Do you speak French? I'm asking because of your comment about how Amélie's dialogue translates into English

elizabeth  ·  3231 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I do :) Born and raised in Montreal

user-inactivated  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've seen Amelie thats what I meant.

AfraidofVWoolf  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hate to piggyback, but I have a Letterboxd! What's your user? Follow me if you'd like.

user-inactivated  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

same as here. I'm already following you my man.

shappyrohman  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh man, French film is my spirit animal! And no, I don't have a letterboxd, but I just googled it and it looks like something I want to have lol

I suppose you have one?

user-inactivated  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

recommend me some french films.

yeah its amazing, its totally notched up my movie watching levels to almost too high.

shappyrohman  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh lord, where to begin??

First thing you need to watch, is Breathless by Jean-Luc Godard. This is posterchild movie for the French New Wave and is responsible for influencing countless other filmmakers and new wave movements (Czech new wave, American new wave,etc.). Wes Anderson is a HUGE fan of the French New Wave, so if you want to see many of Anderson's influences just dive into this era (late 50's to mid 60's). I am happy to write a bigger list of New Wave must-see films if it interest you :)

Other phenomenal French films. Blue is the Warmest Color directed by Abdellatif Kechiche. This 3hr drama centers on Adèle, a 15 yr old discovering her sexuality. This film won the Golden Palm at Cannes in 2013 and is a beatifully shot, emotional and moving story. Highly recommended and my favorite of 2013.

Irreversible by Gaspar Noé is a very interesting film dealing with time, revenge, and love. Starring Vincent Cassel (of La Haine fame ;) ) this movie tells the story of a man seeking revenge in reverse order. One of my all-time favorites. Disclaimer: This movie is violent and there is a disturbing rape scene which may be hard to watch.

If you are a fan of horror or gore, then check out French New Extremism!!! A movement from the late 90's to mid 2000's featuring lots of violence. My favorite films from this movement are Inside, a home invasion movie that is badass and scary, and Martyrs. I cannot recommend Martyrs highly enough, it is brutal, thoughtful, mindbending, and actually has a good amount of brain food for a horror movie. Honorable mention is Haute Tension a slasher flick with one hell twist.

If you want something back on the artsy front, check out the Three Colors trilogy!!! Made by a Polish director Krzysztof Kieslowski (say that 3 times fast!) but the first and 3rd parts are in French because France helped produce the films. This trilogy is absolutely amazing, and has some great performances, my fav being Juliette Binoche.

For a weird Sci-fi type go check out Mauvais Sang from Léo Carax. It tells the story of near-future Paris where an AIDS like virus is infecting people who have sex without being love (gasp!). Or you could watch Carax's most recent film Holy City Motor which is one of the weirdest but most fascinating releases of the past few years.

These are only a few suggestions, lemme know what you like or what genres you'd prefer and I could probably help out more :D

ButterflyEffect  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Blue is the Warmest Color is an incredible film, it's unsettling at times but I really enjoyed that. I need to add everything else on your list as I haven't seen it. La Haine is great, Amelie is great, but there's one set of films that I can't help but but-in to recommend to Zurangatang in addition to yours:

Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources, these two films star Gerard Depardieu and Yves Montand, two of the most notable actors in the history of French cinema. It's more of a period piece than anything else, but the acting, dialogue, and settings are incredible. It revolves around the tension between rural and urban France, when a taxman decides to take up farming in rural France and is faced with opposition from two traditional rural Frenchmen.

user-inactivated  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

awesome thanks for the suggestions

user-inactivated  ·  3233 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I like pretty much everything so theses are all great!