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thenewgreen  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Children of Men - Discussion Thread

Ha, Ha, Ha that's a good catch Steve. I was watching downton Abby last night with my wife, we needed to watch something light after finishing breaking bad. Anyways, I was shocked by how many quick cuts there were. This is the beginning of season five. It felt really, really lazy. That shows really gone downhill in my opinion.





kleinbl00  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Season 1 was great. Season 2 was brilliant. Season 3 was mediocre. Season 4 was bad. Season 5 is when I started to notice that the show opens on a dog's butt and degenerates from there.

Kaius  ·  3371 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The writer Julian Fellowes has never done more than take passing nods towards accurate historical context within the show. One of my pet peeves is Bransons label as being a rebel when all he seems to have done is burn the roof of a shed. Worst rebel evah!

kleinbl00  ·  3371 days ago  ·  link  ·  

About Season 2 we decided "there must be something better than this" and started Upstairs Downstairs (the old one). About Episode 4 we were firmly convinced we were in far better hands than Julian Fellowes. Bavmorda FTW.

Kaius  ·  3371 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yea I can remember it vaguely from childhood. I see netflix only has the 2010 remake.

kleinbl00  ·  3371 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Super weak. Last year the whole thing was free on Amazon Prime.

Kaius  ·  3371 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Its the crappy Netflix UK stuff we get here. Torrenting is alive and well in any case and i'll see if I can pick it up.

steve  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

heh… I feel much the same - BUT - one thing they keep getting right, and I think I even noticed in Season 3 (right when I was SUPER mad at the downturn in writing/storytelling): the show still has moments of greatness in cinematography (or maybe art direction, or maybe direction of photography. A few times in Season 3 when all hell at broken loose and I kept asking my wife "why are we still watching this drivel" I had to pause the show because it was literally a moving painting. Once scene I remember - and only for it's visual appeal. It was just a beautiful shot. The Dowager was sitting in a chair near a window. The way the light fell across her and her costume was nothing short of a masterpiece. I should have pulled a screen grab.

I have continued to watch, and just finished the most recent season. I think I keep watching because there are still some great visuals, interesting set, and some humor I enjoy. I gave up on the characters. Some of their actions are so contradictory to their nature that the show is just too jarring to believe.

kleinbl00  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

To be fair, when your "set" is a legit Edwardian manor house you bloody well better be able to make it look pretty.

It's funny - this is the second comment I've read today in which "great cinematography" is used as an excuse for shitty storytelling. Ya know how much easier cinematography has gotten in the past 20 years? Shit, HD hasn't been available for more than 12; when we wanted our short film to look good we had to shoot it on 35. Now? Now my phone shoots 4k at ISO1600. We've shot available light using LA streetlights on an Epic and you can handhold those things like a Hassy.

It bloody well better look good. You can put a full-blown cinema package on a selfie stick these days.

steve  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    "great cinematography" is used as an excuse for shitty storytelling

oh - don't misunderstand - I can separate the two and make no intention of excusing the bad storytelling (or shallow characters or inconsistencies or, or, or)…

I was merely owning up to enjoying a periodic moment of beauty in a show that has turned into shite.

Complexity  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Have a look at some of the longer sequences in Upstairs Downstairs, the series to which Downton owes its existence and many of its storylines, for long takes which don't announce themselves.

rob05c  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I stopped watching after Season 3. The last scene, I was like "They wouldn't do something so cliché and melodramatic. They wouldn't. Yep, they did. It's official, it's a soap opera." I love the characters (especially Dame Maggie Smith), but the story just deteriorated.

thenewgreen  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think that dame Maggie Smith may be the only reason to continue watching that show at this point. She really is a lot of fun to watch in action. Hilarious

kleinbl00  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've been in love with Elizabeth McGovern since 1988.

thenewgreen  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Honestly, I hear that loud and clear.

When I was a kid, the girl I fell for stopped making movies though.

Bacon is a lucky mo-fo:

kleinbl00  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Who is that? She pretty.

My heart nearly stopped when Ione Skye showed up on Arrested Development.

thenewgreen  ·  3377 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Lori Singer from Footloose. I spent my adolescence and well, adulthood too looking for a girl that resembled her.