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maxwell  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Theopolitics in Amurica

    This boat is going to sink, and technology is the iceberg.

I agree with flagamuffin. Climate change is the iceberg. Everything else is incidental at this point.





mk  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Perhaps. I do think it is inevitable at this point, and it will definitely be a big part of how things play out, but as fast as the climate is changing, the rate of technological change is even faster. Therefore, it's my guess that technology will play the larger role in the undoing of the Nation State.

kleinbl00  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Climate change, however, will largely impact the sensitive populations and sensitive climes around the world, leaving the wealthy, northern-hemisphere 1st world a little warmer but no worse off.

This is one reason why you see so few conservatives concerned with global warming - for them, "water wars" are an abstraction. A navigable Northwest Passage? Now we're talkin'.

user-inactivated  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The reason they aren't concerned about global warming is that they haven't used their brains. Self-interest is a powerful argument, always, but

    Climate change, however, will largely impact the sensitive populations and sensitive climes around the world, leaving the wealthy, northern-hemisphere 1st world a little warmer but no worse off.

this is what they think is true. What is actually true is that climate change (and broadly, our impact on the environment) will end most ocean life. It will do things to biodiversity that we don't fully understand yet. When those rich conservatives get cancer and learn that the cure they need was eradicated along with some species of ivy in central Brazil 20 years ago, they may regret their naivete. And so on.

    This is one reason why you see so few conservatives concerned with global warming - for them, "water wars" are an abstraction. A navigable Northwest Passage? Now we're talkin'.

Foreign Affairs has been hitting the arctic passage "benefit" of global warming pretty hard lately. I get it. It's short term profit (huge profit). And in the very short term, "a little warmer but no worse off" is probably accurate for just about everyone in America. So fuck Tuvalu.

But in the not so long term, say 50-75 years, the northern hemisphere is going to feel major lifestyle changes (unless technology somehow saves us again, as mk mentions above).

EDIT: I should clarify that I don't really disagree with you but I thought what you said needed a small caveat.

kleinbl00  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A large caveat, even.

user-inactivated  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, yes.