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thenewgreen  ·  3517 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Spirituality and Religion -TNG Podcast featuring members of the Hubski Community

My alarm went off around 11am EST today but I was grocery shopping and have since made the best damned lentils ever! But yeah... you're up!





thundara  ·  3517 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ugg, I'm in a mini-crunch before a meeting tomorrow, but I just finished my cuppa black tea, so here goes some stream of consciousness with a re-play your podcast in the background:

Some small bit of perspective, up until about a month ago, this was my basic view of religion:

Religion has been on my mind lately, since reading The Year of the Flood (God, when the fuck will thundara shut up about Atwood--when I get my next round of Audible credits and finish MaddAddam, that's when).

SUMMARY

The story is based around a group that combines the minimalist and agronomist lifestyle of hippies with a branch of Christianity where the rapture is replaced with a prophecy of Noah's ark. Take impending doom and promise your disciples that it will be caused by materialism, capitalism, and industrialization; only by rejecting luxuries and returning to the land may they be saved.

YRASSMUS

ANALYSIS

It's not that crazy a prophecy, I've met more than a hundred people at this point who subscribe to components of these ideas. Be it vegetarianism due to CAFOs, urban farming due to GMOs, or tea and meditation due to SATs, to a large extent, the roots of these wants for a simpler lifestyle exist outside of any health, environmental, or economic concerns. Yet in the normal progression of maturation, most people are exposed to only sections of these ideas without understanding the larger philosophies that tie them together or how deep those ideas may alter their perspective every aspect of their life.

Enter the preacher.

Spirituality is as many of you have already said, and more. It's a cornerstone upon which a person can build a pillar of morality. It's a ground upon which you can ask yourself: "What would _Jesus_ do?", when all other persons have an element of unholy humanism to them. And when a person is lost, they at have the clerics to give them words of solace and guide them back to their community. That is not to say that religion is not without its flaws, nor is secularism without community, philosophy, or leaders. But historically, in times of darkness and despair, it was a beacon to some to light the way.

And the same way that ideas may light the mind, religion (and the core -isms that have been isolated from it) can light ideas with a higher purpose than any ethos can hope to replicate. Though I am not a man of faith, I've felt my own semi-irrational rejections of industrialization and consumerism.

Doesn't that make you want to get out from the cogs?

SISYLANA

Alright, back to Gibson assembly...

thenewgreen  ·  3517 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Spirituality is as many of you have already said, and more. It's a cornerstone upon which a person can build a pillar of morality.
It certainly can be, I agree with that. I think that once you start building a framework around it, it starts to become more akin to religion.

    Doesn't that make you want to get out from the cogs?
-You know, I get what the images are meant to make me feel, but it doesn't work on me. When I see a bunch of people in cars, in transit, in office buildings or walking the streets I think about how each of those cars, each of those offices and every one of those people on the street are carrying with them ideas, dreams, pursuits, love, heartbreak and passions that unfortunately, I may never get to know. If you speed up any system, back out of the minutia and in to the macro of anything it looks rote.

Do I think people should pursue bull-shit endeavors? No. But, I don't see a bunch of traffic and think of how we are all a bunch of cogs either.

    Alright, back to Gibson assembly...
-Good luck with that!
thundara  ·  3517 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Do I think people should pursue bull-shit endeavors? No. But, I don't see a bunch of traffic and think of how we are all a bunch of cogs either.

Hehe, the cars actually remind me of electricity and circulation, it's the stairs and escalators that make me uneasy.

By the way, have I mentioned to you yet that I am also now on EST? ;)

thenewgreen  ·  3517 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No. You aren't by chance in NC? Are you in Chapel Hill? Is that you looking through my window....?