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OftenBen  ·  3501 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Blockchains will prevail.

This is one of the greatest descriptions of bitcoins in specific and blockchain theory in general that has ever been written.





mk  ·  3501 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks, that's very generous of you. Trying to explain my thinking pushes me to better scrutinize it, and often leads me to new ideas.

These are some of the reasons I find blockchain applications compelling, and why I think they have staying power now. Still, this is just the beginning. I think these technologies are going to make for interesting times.

OftenBen  ·  3501 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What do you think about the idea of automating contract law with blockchain style architecture?

mk  ·  3500 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't know enough about to say, but my guess is that it is ahead of its time. I was just reading an update on ethereum last night, and it blows my mind how ambitious the scope is. Much of the complexity can be kept behind-the-scenes (like the internet), but I do have the sense that the users of the system can't be so conceptually decoupled from the architecture if you want widespread adoption, especially when something as fundamental as contractual law is concerned.

Most people see bitcoin and ethereum as things that could blow away with the wind, whereas the bureaucratic and glacial nature of the legal system gives a perception of stability, which I think can be under-appreciated. Even if the functional reality is different, IMO it will take time before the reality is digested and then taken advantage of.

Personally, I see the potential for a new type of value arising from coins that are inseparable from a widely-used blockchain. As people grow more dependent upon the network, the value of the coins is reflected in that dependency. If the blockchain network were to become as critical as the internet, imagine the perceived value of the currency that could not be decoupled from its function. The longer a single blockchain network can set this example, the more prevalent this perception of value will be. If at some point this value trumps notaries and legal devices, then I believe that something like blockchain contracts will get a foothold.

ironpotato  ·  3500 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Mk, could you please explain ethereum to me. I saw that article about it, but it was all over my head. Any form of simple explanation you can give me? I would point you to some specifics of what I didn't understand, but the whole thing just seemed really foreign to me.

mk  ·  3500 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In all honesty, my understanding of ethereum is probably insufficient. From what I understand, ethereum is a blockchain application, similar in a number of ways to bitcoin, but instead of simply changing values in cells (send 0.5 bitcoin to X address), ethereum transactions can execute code (which are called contracts), and cells have persistent memory which can be altered in numerous ways by contracts. It costs ether to execute these contracts, which is a way to determine if the execution of the contract is complete, and prevents network-bogging loops. Theoretically, applications could be built within ethereum, allowing for the decentralization and public validation of the application itself. Thus, a voting application could run in ethereum, and it would be transparent to all involved.

Obviously, one concern about ethereum's practicality is the potential size of that growing blockchain ledger.

The development news I linked addressed some of the kinds of operations that might be performed in a contract, how the state of an address is altered or read by the operations, and about lowering the overall memory involved in some operations.

ironpotato  ·  3500 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Okay, so you grasped it as I did. I wasn't sure on the whole code execution thing. Just seemed weird and I couldn't really comprehend why you'd want that. But I guess it makes sense in a currency of the future sort of way

OftenBen  ·  3500 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What if mk did a long form post series where he explained tech-stuff to us laymen?

ironpotato  ·  3500 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not exactly a layman, but I'd still love to read that