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The link is from a /r/circlebroke thread, expressing disgust at how much Reddit Gold has actually been rewarded to blatantly racist comments on a /r/videos thread showing a video of a black man violently punching a female shop assistant in the face then robbing a Boost Mobile store.
For those unaware, Gilding a comment is awarding the poster with a month of Reddit Gold (or the premium subscription service that the site currently operates under) which can be gifted to other users.
One comment, simplying saying "F*****g n****r" has been awarded 13 months of Reddit Gold by other users.
Several comments suggest this being the result of a 4chan /pol/ raid on reddit but no conclusive evidence has been shown as of yet.
Refugee from reddit here. I've almost had it with that community. The racism is becoming unbearable, and reddit accepting money from the racists in the form of gold is almost the last straw. It feels like their window is shrinking before a mass exodus happens, and they become the next digg.
I tend to view the circlebroke community as those willing to shed light on the parts of reddit others would like to pretend don't exist. The difference is that you can avoid circlebroke just by not subscribing to the subreddit. The racist crowd invades every subreddit.
The 'racist crowd' only invade subreddits that affect reddit's larger image. They're using it as a platform to push their agenda. They also use some interesting strategy in coaxing racism and racism-oriented discussion from the community, by posting things that I believe started with near-homeopathic doses of racism. This, by virtue of how likely it is that some people in a large group will share a "mildly" racist opinion, ends up showcasing how there are still a surprisingly large amount of people who feel, for instance, that they should be more careful around black people because they're prone to robbing peopley. This is obviously still racist by definition, but it's pretty far from Stormfront-level racism, and it's not hard to see how someone could delude themselves into thinking it isn't racist (provided you understand the capacity humans have for deceiving themselves). Now, adding to that, people who hold that racist opinion will feel persecuted. Because people are going to tell them they're racist (which is true enough), but also do silly things like compare them to the KKK. Which they will see as a reason to be louder, and bring up the same issue again and again, and participate in every thread to show that they're not crazy or ignorant, other people believe this too! Eventually the people who aren't racist just stop caring and accept reddit as it has come to be. The net effect this has had... I want to say it's like a shit tornado. This was a website where we'd discuss the news, the latest xkcd, random shit from the internet and shitty programming jokes. I guess that wasn't really reddit's own culture/community, just the one that happened to occupy it in the beginning. sidenote: talking about reddit here still feels awkward to me
The problem is that Reddit doesn't delete trolls, specifically "noise comments". "Fucking Nigger", "Die cunt", "Whore" - all those drive by one-liner low effort insults should just be deleted from the get go. It's not censorship, it's about reducing noise that serves absolutely no beneficial purpose to anyone. Reddit is a private site. God knows the Admins are heavy handed enough when they want to be. But they leave so much other shit up and for so long. The reality is that there isn't 100% "free speech" on Reddit. There isn't anywhere.
swedishbadgergirl put it excellently (i think she read my mind to be honest haha) Hubski is better, it is more about content and long articles and actual discussions instead of in-jokes and memes.
I've commented more here in 2-3 days than I did at reddit, well, in 2 years. I feel more welcomed here and I feel like hubski actually is a community.
Meh. It could also be that people are very unhappy with reddit's recent changes and are going to get rid of any leftover gold and bail.
In all honesty, that would actually be a hilarious form of protest. I do feel like reddit is slowly spiralling downwards into decline but I dunno exactly when it started. It was either once Digg's users flocked there after the v4.0 update that doomed the site, or it was when radical feminists and SomethingAwful trolls began to invade the site and establish ShitRedditSays in the process.
The problem is that SRS consists of a significant amount of different subreddits which most people are not familiar with. What the average redditor sees is the actual /r/shitredditsays board and that is (even though it's a clear parody and circle jerk) pretty aggressive by turning the tables and fighting fire with fire. Also, back in the days, they used to take their parodying outside of their own subreddit and "hijacked" other threads with it, basically attacking people they thought guilty of racism, sexism and the like. That's, as far as I understand, where the general dislike for SRS stems from. Oh, and of course some people tend to disagree that using the same aggressive language their "enemies" use is the right way, which is, in all honesty, something I agree with. If you think you're better than someone, don't be like them. Even if it's just a parody for you, others might not see that. All the other subreddits that are not /r/shitredditsays are really nice places, though, and a lot of their users don't even frequent SRS prime. They have /r/SRSGaming, /r/SRSCinema, /r/SRSMusic, and even /r/SRSTrees and a lot more, and I actually find them much more enjoyable to read than Reddit's popular boards because they do have actual discussions there sometimes.I don't frequent SRS, but the popular posts I've read were very reasonable, calling out things like what the OP is talking about. I don't see how any reasonable human being wouldn't agree with condemning this.
If there's one thing I dislike about 3rd wave feminism, it's the apologists who try and claim that people like me who have an issue with gender feminism are just trying to hold up old feminists and/or radical feminists and ignoring 'real feminism'. The issues that men like me have with feminism nowadays (and I want to make that distinction clear) is because of how we've personally been treated by feminists. There's a clear difference between equity feminism and gender feminism, and there are atleast a few notable feminists who no longer identify with 3rd wave feminism for this very reason. For the record, I'm no more keen on MRA then feminism, the very idea of stepping to 1 side or other of that gender dividing line is repulsive to me. There are inequities in or society that need to addressed, not because they're gender issues, but because they're people issues.
You apparently misunderstood me, but because of how sensitive people can be to this issue, if you misunderstand me again I'll simply walk away. But the idea is pretty simple. If you treat me unfairly, and then turn around start telling me about how terribly someone has treated you, I'm just not going to trust it. After all, I just watched you levy many of the same accusations at me, and I know what my beliefs and opinions are. If you can do that to someone who essentially agrees with you, then I cannot trust your interpretation of something that I wasn't even privy to witness. When feminists run around attacking everything that moves, they hurt their own agenda. Again, you've misunderstood me. Both men and women have inequities in society, this has been well documented, and if you were nearly as educated in feminism as you claim, I suspect you can name atleast 1 feminist (not 3rd wave) that has described these inequities for men. It reframes the discussion from "what can we do to help prevent women from committing suicide" to "what can we do to help prevent people from committing suicide". That is a completely different conversation, the issue is that gender feminism doesn't want to have that conversation. Equity feminism doesn't have as much of an issue with those sorts of conversations. I think telling people they don't know what real feminism is turns into a pretty convenient way to dismiss anyone who disagrees with you. It's certainly lazy. How about we agree to avoid such tactics? This is the sort of thing you see on reddit, can you be better than reddit?A subset of people issues are gender issues. That's pretty much indisputable.
Honestly, it doesn't appear that you know what feminism is actually about. Going back to my original statement: "I find people in general are incredibly misinformed when it comes to feminism.
That's not really what I meant. Men commit suicide 3 times as often as women, but have no systemic access to facilities to help them work through it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#United_States
There is a 60% difference in the length of jail terms for men and women for the same crime
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002 But no one really talks about it the way they do with minorities. Men are statistically more likely to be the victim of domestic abuse than women (this isn't the best source, but google can you give plenty more):
http://domesticviolencestatistics.org/men-the-overlooked-victims-of-domestic-violence/ A quote from the article:
_According to one study, 63% of males as opposed to 15% of females had a deadly weapon used against them in a fight with an intimate partner_. And we haven't even started talking about how men are treated under the family court systems. But the point isn't that it happens and women are terrible, it's that men also face real inequities in our society. I don't mean simple social pleasure, I mean the sorts of inequities that causes a person to commit suicide from the unfairness of it all. both genders face inequities in our society, but when the discussion constantly falls into "men are terrible for X" or "women are terrible for Y", it's hard to have the conversation "lets work together to solve issue X and issue Y". you can also try and refute that with idealistic ideas about what the role of feminism is, but that's different from a discussion about the realistic effects feminism has had on both men and women (the good and the bad).As clearly acknowledged by me, I even gave an example. Women aren't expected to be "providers" like men are, and the stress and social pressure associated with struggling with that can be considerable.
The fact that you're framing my response as an 'us vs them' is exactly what I mean. The point is that men also suffer inequities in society, but these are not addressed by feminism except where the feminist movement deems it to also be beneficial to women. The travesty is that feminism started framing the conversation as 'us vs them', and the MRA continued it. feminism didn't use to be anti-male, it used to be simply pro-female. There's a distinct difference there.
I'd give you times, but honestly you should watch the entire thing. These ideas are being espoused by some of the older feminists, they are not simply the opinion of men who dislike feminism. In particular, fairly early in the talk she talks about how she values clarity of thought, logic, and fairness. As do I, and many other people who don't buy into gender feminism. And now it's time for you to start citing sources.
I think the whole idea that radical feminism is some how bad is pretty silly. Granted there are feminists whose ideas I don't agree with, but groups like "Pussy Riot" and the "Guerrilla Girls" ( "Radical feminism" seems to now be a coded way of saying "I don't like how these women are presenting their message, so their message is wrong" I know that people try to defend feminism by separating the "radical feminists" from the "everyday feminists" but I would not be so quick to do so.There are indeed radical feminists, but they're a very tiny fringe, generally associated with trans-phobia and looked down upon by the rest of the movement.
) could easily be seen as "radical" and I have no problems with their messages whatsoever.
If you would like me to start attributing the mistreatment I've personally witnessed both to myself and others' at the hands of certain feminists to the movement as a whole, I can do that. That's the issue you face when you start trying to tell someone they shouldn't separate out feminism into pieces based upon both the actions and the specific beliefs of certain sects of the feminist movement. What this distinction allows me to do is continue agreeing with the premise of feminism (equality) while not agreeing with the way some feminists treat men. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
Thank you for saying that, you said it better than I could. I consider myself a feminist and it irks me so much when people bring up "radical feminism" every chance they get even though they don't really understand what regular feminism is about.
Glad to have you! We don't have any shadow banning functionality here so you (and your friends) should be good.
Well I kind of lost track of the friend who gave me gold... He... I don't know... I should send him an email and see if he's still alive. I've been reading my ass off and noticed that. :D I'm trying to bring people through like... Cold calls. Just posting an interesting post in my FB and letting it set there. I'm sure somebody will click and join sooner or later.
Sweet! The more the merrier - as long as they aren't total fuckwits. I'll let you be the judge of what constitutes a fuckwit vs not fuckwit. :-P
It is worth noting that Stormfront has a pretty active presence on reddit and there are numerous racist subreddits. Additionally, the mods of /r/videos have essentially washed their hands of all responsibility in preventing blatant racism from coming to frontpage. All in the name of Freezepeach. Consider that it took reddit being featured on Anderson Cooper to finally ban the CP subreddits. 4Chan has a more proactive stance on this stuff than reddit.
It wasn't a CP subreddit, it was a subreddit full of fully clothed teenage girls. Weird and maybe a little creepy sure, but in no way was it CP. At the time there were claims of CP occassionally showing up, and that was used as the justification for shutting it down (if the claims were true, it should have been shut down). But it was way more complex than simply a CP subreddit getting shut down for CP. The amount of baseless rumors running around was ridiculous.
A pedophile is someone who is sexually interested in prepubescent children. Since the subreddit was about teenagers, the term you're looking for is Ephebophilia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
How many men here wouldn't have sex with a 17-18 y/o if they could be assured no social problems? It's important to maintain some level of rigor in these discussions, otherwise you start doing things like treating sexual interest with a 17 y/o in the same manner as with a 5 y/o. One of those deserves more scrutiny.Ephebophilia is the primary or exclusive adult sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.
Ephebophilia strictly denotes the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction.
However, the term pedophilia is commonly and mistakenly used to refer to any sexual interest in minors below the legal age of consent, regardless of their level of physical or mental development.[
Presented fully for the prurient interests of the creeps and pedos who ran that place. It was there for the sexual gratification of its viewers. It wasn't weird and a little creepy, it was disgusting and degrading. It wasn't shut down for CP. It was shut down because it made reddit look bad when it got substantial amount of bad PR because of it. The reddit admins knew their position was indefensible and crumbled as soon as a light got shone on it. Before they always cried about free speech. Reddit has always been disgusting. Look how they allowed a subreddit like /r/creepshots to exist, under the justification of free speech and how women in public should have no expectation to privacy. And yet, when one of their moderators got doxxed, suddenly privacy matters.It wasn't a CP subreddit, it was a subreddit full of fully clothed teenage girls.
But it was way more complex than simply a CP subreddit getting shut down for CP.
The fact remains, 4chan hasn't allowed jailbait for many years now and it took the name of reddit as a site being dragged through the dirt extensively for the admins to finally decide that banning sexualized content of minors would be a good thing. Oh, and to correct exNihilo here, it took reddit being featured on Anderson Cooper and a threatened press mailbombing campaign from /r/ShitRedditSays and SomethingAwful to get jailbait subreddits banned.
well the technicality of what CP is and what it isn't really depends on your nations laws, for example in england if an image of a person under 18 is being used for sexual purposes clothed or not it is illegal, however I believe in america is it true they have to be partially nude for it to count as pornography? forgive me if I am a little ignorant of your laws
They also have to be under a specific age of consent, which changes from state to state. I believe it ranges from 14-16 with 16 being the norm. The thing is, while it isn't socially acceptable to be sexually attracted to a 14 y/o when you're 25+(and lets be honest, that's fucking young), a 14 y/o is still sexually mature from a physical standpoint. That is not CP, creepy yes, but not CP.
well maybe not physically, but legally it still remains- and as a belief I think that it is not the physical maturity alone that allows the relationship to be adult but the mental maturity which doesn't directly correlate with physical/sexual, for example as a 13 yr old I would have been totally capable of having sex with a legal adult physically, however it is important that society recognises that the reason that would be wrong is not only due to the lack of complete sexual/physical maturity but the ability to make decisions which are of that degree of importance
"It is worth noting that Stormfront has a pretty active presence on reddit and there are numerous racist subreddits. " As does a hundred thousand other communities. There is a large feminist presence on reddit also, they have numerous subreddits. Reddit must be highly feminist also. And i'm sure you'll love those frozen peaches the moment you realize it's the exact same sentiment that allowed civil rights to exist and gain momentum in the first place. "but I don't agree with them!" (I don't either, and I don't think hate speech should be considered under free speech, but making fun of admins and using the whole fucking stupid "Freeze peaches" meme doesn't help anyone)
I was merely pointing out that whether or not this was a targeted raid from /pol/ or Stormfront or any of the other racist websites out there is irrelevant. Racism is endemic on reddit. Stormfront has a bunch of people there because it is the optimum environment to foster bigotry. One of the rallying cries of racists and bigots in general when people object to their views is that those against racism are in fact the real bigots. Essentially arguing that refusing to tolerate intolerance is itself intolerant. This is literally one of the talking points of the modern neo-Nazi movement. And reddit tacitly endorses this by letting any bigot spout their insanity and hiding behind the protection of free speech as if this gives some moral high ground. The fact is, if your only defense for your argument is that it isn't illegal to say what you are saying, then your argument is pretty weak. Ultimately, reddit is a private website and obviously the owners can do whatever they want with it. This something that its users cannot seem to fathom in many cases. Reddit is not a democracy. But this doesn't excuse it from any moral culpability or criticism in fostering a seething cesspool of intolerance and extremism. They give hate groups a very public and popular place to deliver their message. False equivalence much? Watch how quickly posts criticizing something 'all women do' gets upvoted. Observe the victim complex whenever things like the pay gap and false rape are talked about. Reddit is pretty anti-feminist and all around misogynistic."It is worth noting that Stormfront has a pretty active presence on reddit and there are numerous racist subreddits. "
There is a large feminist presence on reddit also, they have numerous subreddits. Reddit must be highly feminist also.
You are taking the words of a small majority and saying they are a large majority. EVERY racist comment on that thread is downvoted. Are you really going to tell me reddit is racist when clearly racist shit that is not taken as a joke is downvoted? Perhaps reddit is insensitive, too keen to upvote things that may be racist but also appear to be lighthearted jokes, but that doesn't make reddit a bunch of racists. That is you making generalizations. "And reddit tacitly endorses this by letting any bigot spout their insanity and hiding behind the protection of free speech as if this gives some moral high ground. " They always hate the free speech, until the day comes that they are the ones who want to be speaking. Reddit isn't letting things happen under the guise of free speech. Reddit lets stuff happen because of a belief that through an open market of ideas, where everyone can speak without censorship, those who are wrong will become downvoted and disliked. "The fact is, if your only defense for your argument is that it isn't illegal to say what you are saying, then your argument is pretty weak." You, again, make massive generalizations for the sake of feeling superior about yourself. I don't agree with the stuff either, but it's not nearly as one sided as you make it out to be. "Ultimately, reddit is a private website and obviously the owners can do whatever they want with it. This something that its users cannot seem to fathom in many cases. " Ultimately, reddit is a business, and people use the internet because it's a free and open place to discuss and have ideas. Start banning the ones you don't like and you kill that entire notion. Kill that notion and people will go elsewhere. Reddit isn't some safe place where only good things can be said. It's a cut-throat system that is designed to show you when you are wrong, not by a moderator, but by your peers. "False equivalence much? " "Watch how quickly posts criticizing something 'all women do' gets upvoted" Oh, yes, i'm sure those comments were downvoted because they were supporting equality, not because they were being hasty and acting superior/demeaning to all parties reading. I've seen some of the shit that gets downvoted because it "criticizes all women do" and it's almost never because it's criticizing. What I was doing is pointing out the flaws in your own logic. The fact that subs exists that are stormfront proves nothing of reddit being stormfront focused. Hell, I bet if you compare sub counts the feminist subs outnumber the stormfront ones by a large margin. I can't tell however, because /r/stormfront is god damned hilarious.
Whelp, when I visited the thread it seemed like they were all downvoted. Maybe it was a different one, but I could have sworn every comment that was guilded like that was in the negative teens. And are you ignoring the fact that this s probably some outside source coming in and voting? Read the circlebroke thread. So far as I am aware this sort of racism never occurs naturally on reddit, and is either quickly down-voted or falls into the sorts of things I mentioned earlier. "If you want a community full of racist and sexist shit, make it yourself. I want a community without it and so I attack Reddit for putting up with it. " I want a community full of open ideas where racists are free to post, but free to be ridiculed and told why they are wrong. Censorship only makes people more angry and will never fix any issues. I'd rather see the issues and take them on than hide from them. "All the massively upvoted racist posts didn't exactly become downvoted and disliked, did they?" They also aren't active, are posts that are buried in an old thread, etc. https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/28jwqv/brutal_robbery_of_girl_at_a_boost_mobile_store/ Look here, do you see any racist comments scrolling down the page? This isn't representative of reddit, this is representative of two or three people pulling a ton of crap out of context and pointing at reddit saying "IT'S SO RACIST" when the only real "racism", again, is of the sort I talked about before, where it is crappy jokes that are supposed to be funny because they are taboo. The comments aren't deleted either, as the links still work in the circlebroke thread.
"You can only blame brigading so often before it becomes the community doing it. I mean they obviously all have accounts and regularly do this shit " If a group that talks primarily outside of reddit, and has accounts purely to do actions on reddit, they are not redditors. "What, you think the Civil Rights Movement should have allowed Nazis to march with them and attack their goals?" Reddit isn't the civil rights movement. Any subreddit which wishes to push for civil rights is free to ban any sort of discussion or comments they like. Just look at what /r/feminism does. They are a bit too strict with the banning, IMO, but it is often for good reason and keeps the community intact. " It's not like the Internet is a less free place because racists have to make their own spots" It means reddit is a less free place, however. And, again, i'd rather see and deal with issues than push them to where they are hidden and I can live in bliss. "The point of an open Internet is that anyone can make their own community" Look at the structure of reddit for a moment. I also read reddit, and again, outside of the context of it being an "offensive joke" or some other sort of comment, nearly anything that is racist quickly gets downvoted.
It's all about confirmation bias. Ask any of these racists, sexists, etc, and they will tell you reddit is full of politically correct idiots. At the end of the day it's just full of normal people. Then again, I don't browse the defaults, so I may have a more positive view than I would have otherwise.
Thank you, I wish more people had that attitude. I've been on Reddit for close to 7 years now, and I don't see all of this racism that people are talking about. OTOH I don't subscribe to /r/politics because the level of discourse there just isn't what I want when discussing politics. On the whole reddit is an amazing site because of the sheer breadth of content and experience, you just have a lot of very loud people who want to complain about anything and everything.
"No, there really is a difference in Reddit demographics vs American or world or whatever demographics, and different demographics have reactionaries represented differently. " Ok, but that doesn't make reddit racist. " Some place that skews white = it skews racist compared to the population as a whole." Oh, yes, I forgot, white people are racist. You use the same sort of "outs" as the people you accuse of being racist use. Yes, people like that exist on reddit. No, that does not make reddit as a whole racist, and it doesn't mean that reddit leans towards allowing racism. Look at all the comments there on reddit. Notice that, despite the guiding, they are downvoted. Look at the reaction from people who are mostly redditors. You are taking these comments and making them into something that proves what you already think about the site. Yes, a site with mostly white men will have more sexism/racism against non-white non-men. That doesn't make the entire site racists, and it doesn't mean the site skews to racism.
You are responding to someone commenting on someone calling reddit a cesspool. I was saying reddit represents humanity as a whole, both good and bad, meaning that the people you see are outliers. If all you are saying is that there are a "higher number" of racists, than you had no reason to post, because you are not disagreeing with what I said in the first place.
If it was a 4chan raid, it wouldn't be the first time it's happened. The last raid they did, they downvoted every comment in an AskReddit thread.
The conspiracy theorist in me wants to scream from the rooftops it's an inside job to prove the upvote | downvote thing was evil and that's why it had to go. The reality is probably more of a 4chan sees weakness and it's having fun on it.
If I take something you really liked as reddit did with the RES upvote downvote option, and removed it and the crowd turned on me, even though I'm telling you it's for your own good, and if I were dishonest, I would turn around and find a way to make you see how bad it is. So all of a sudden you have an influx of people voting up really bad stuff downvoting good stuff and boom, I can now come back to that thread of complainers and show them proof of why they can't have good things. So who's to say it's not admin bots and not 4chan causing the problems, they need proof their decision was the right one and now they have some points to toss at you on why it was a good idea, that's what I'd say if I were a conspiracy theorist. That may come across as rambling, but you'll get the jest of it I think.
Oh wow that's sooooooo menacing. Seriously I don't think that I could ever take their raids seriously. I mean I was a lurker on 4chan during a couple of them and they've never done anything beyond shit posting or downvoting. It's kind of lacking it seems. I want to see them actually DO something... I don't know, maybe it's just me and the fact that I view 4chan as a rabid animal.
I saw a greentext detailing one of their many raids on 9gag. Alpha team was in charge of shitposting and voting for shitposts to get them to the top. Bravo team was in charge of DDoSing. When 9gag tried to retaliate with the same shit, it failed miserably. Shitposting on /b/ is normally just called posting, and a 4chan user gave all of 9gag instructions to DDoS itsself. In the words of the user himself: ">4channer gave 9gag the wrong coordinates." Althoug it isn't too extravagant, it serves its purpose. Kind of like humming in your sibling's ear for a while. You aren't doing anything damaging, just annoying them. And 9gag users are EASILY annoyed.
Haha that's actually kind of funny that they got 9gag to dox itself. One of the last things I heard on Reddit was that 4chan was planning to dox Tumblr, which I think I might stick around long enough to see. Well, it's actually the "SJW" component of Tumblr talking about doing "doxing" 4chan, but I think we both know that it will end the same way as it did with 9gag lol
You must've missed their Imperial Guard raid on Facebook, them taking over naming the new Mountain Dew flavor, them getting 9Gag to DDoS themselves (as already stated), them raiding that Tayor Swift contest so the guy could meet her, and a whole bunch of other stuff. They're like that really annoying sibbling that likes to screw around with you without actually doing any damage.