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user-inactivated  ·  3606 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Interesting take on gentrification

Why? Income inequality ain't going away. This generational problem we supposedly have, of making less money than are parents did or whatever, that's here to stay. Most "hipsters" who actually embody what the average person thinks a "hipster" is are a lot older than you might guess anyway.

It's not a fad it's a reactionary -- and often necessary -- lifestyle.

You are all defining a hipster in one way and I am defining it in another. I think.





_refugee_  ·  3606 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Then define it.

user-inactivated  ·  3606 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think -- if you have to use the word at all -- it's best to define hipsters by their actions, as kb does in the bits of his post that I quoted above. People who have responded to changing social and labor conditions by reducing their "footprint." I'm not saying that's how almost anyone uses that term, but that's my best definition and the way I (and some people I know) use it.

And it seems to me a compliment; unfortunately the word as discussed above has become inherently pejorative.

cgod  ·  3606 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This discussion took me back to my hipster chicken post https://hubski.com/pub?id=91192 . I was in retrospect pretty tired of hearing about hipsters that week and maybe went a bit deep.

user-inactivated  ·  3606 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I remember that wonderful post. I agree wholeheartedly with:

    So maybe these chicken keepers in my neighborhood aren't "hipsters" because they have kept chickens for many years, they are doing it to provide food not because it's the "hip" thing to do. Maybe it's the people who keep chickens and give them up who are "hipsters."

When I use the word 'hipster', as I have tried poorly to explain in this thread, I am using it in a complimentary way to describe the former group. People who keep chickens because, fuck it, it's cheaper and almost certainly less morally bankrupt than buying eggs every week. They have reacted to a certain part of society -- in this case, maybe, our fucked up food industry -- and found an 'alternative' solution. For which they are labeled hipsters. But there ain't nothing wrong with that.

OftenBen  ·  3606 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My mom's friends give her some crap for raising chickens. But then they ask for eggs because 'They're just so much better!' Luckily our small flock is productive enough that it's no trouble to give somebody a half dozen every now and then, but the hypocrisy is astonishing.

ecib  ·  3604 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Just another nuanced version of the ancient truism, "Don't fuck with people who make your food." In this case, don't be dismissive of people you wish you could get food from.

_refugee_  ·  3605 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Frankly, I would call the successful ones "hippies" and the ones who abandon their chickens "hipsters." I don't see a lot of hipster-dom as a genuine movement, more of a reaction to pop culture that has a lot more to do with obscure music, fixies, cigarettes, and fashion. Oh, and drinking - copious drinking and general drug use. I mean, I was in college with hipsters when the trend exploded and maybe that's part of why I have this perception. I think my friends who were hipsters have in some cases gone on and done things that are true to the underlying personality, such as move to New York City ( a lot of them), start working at farms or co-ops, and so on, but I also don't know if they would still identify themselves as hipsters.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3606 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Link leads to a blank page. Think I remember that post, but wouldn't mind reading again.

user-inactivated  ·  3606 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You have to delete the period https://hubski.com/pub?id=91192

ghostoffuffle  ·  3606 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ah, thanks!

cgod  ·  3606 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fixed, sorry. Always errors when I post from my phone.