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OftenBen  ·  3675 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What The Fuck Is Going On In Malaysia

That makes a hell of a lot of sense. Nasa can track every bit of debris in the upper atmosphere larger than a baseball and we actually lose track of a plane that's constantly broadcasting unencrypted time and position data? Especially with US naval resources (The 7th Fleet) not that far away.

Edit to include that my geography professor held a discussion about this the other day, and when a classmate brought up the fact that the Malaysian, Australian or US governments might not be releasing information in the interest of national security, she was ridiculed. This bothers me because we know that our government has censored/classified/falsified important information in the past, but anyone who assumes that they would do so now is considered a loon.

Just remember, Alex Jones was talking about the NSA reading everybody's emails/texts, listening to everyone's phone calls a long time ago and was called crazy. Turns out they are ACTUALLY DOING THAT AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS.





kleinbl00  ·  3675 days ago  ·  link  ·  

To be fair, Alex Jones was crazy. The NSA listening in thing was first announced by James Bamford in the '80s. It wasn't a secret, it just wasn't widely known.

OftenBen  ·  3671 days ago  ·  link  ·  

He is crazy, but that doesn't mean he was wrong. Ad hominem and all that.

kleinbl00  ·  3671 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The point:

Normal, non-insane, credentialed journalists made Alex Jones' point back when Alex Jones was in 2nd grade. It is, therefore:

1) Not Alex Jones' point.

2) Not a reason to not call Alex Jones crazy.

Claiming that, for example, "the NSA is spying on us" and "NASA faked the moon landing" serves the purpose of deprecating the claim that "the NSA is spying on us" because the former is a well-documented fact and has been for decades while the other is a well-debunked paranoid delusion and has been for even longer. It certainly doesn't warrant caps lock - "stopped clock right twice a day" and all that.

It's also not an ad hominem attack. It's an appeal to logic ("People think Alex Jones is crazy because he acts like a raving lunatic, not because he's pointed out NSA surveillance"). You would do our future discourse a service by striving not to conflate the two.

OftenBen  ·  3671 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Noted. I appreciate the... lesson, for lack of a better word.