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kleinbl00  ·  3690 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Global Warming vs Rush Limbaugh

So... based on your links and based on your viewpoint, what I'm going to recommend is some reading up on global warming.

For one thing, we're past the tipping point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_point_(climatology)

Consensus put it at 350ppm CO2 and we hit 386 in 2012. Things are going to change. They are already.

For another thing, global warming is most going to impact the indigent, the unprepared, the fragile equatorial regions. This is the main reason nobody is doing anything: life will get harder and less comfy for the 1st world, but shall become even more nasty, brutish and short for everyone else. It's a good time to not live in the Cote d'Ivoire.

BIll McKibben's your man. Read this book. Then read this one. Paul Gilding subtitles his book "how climate change will change everything for the better" but he also mentions a massive die-off of humanity in Chapter 2.

From there, you'll have a better idea what we're looking at. Then, if you want to do something, go here:

http://350.org





user-inactivated  ·  3689 days ago  ·  link  ·  

wait, what did you say?

    Then, if you want to do something

So in other words, I really shouldn't do anything at all, right now, or even ever without first . . . reading something . . . .

something like . . .

THIS:

> This is not cool

> Along with the Arctic ice, the rich world's smugness will melt", by George Monbiot

> The Crossroads clearly before us: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math; by Bill McKibben

> Here’s a story that should be the lead across the nation:

> Climate Change Is Happening Faster Than You Think

> Already, traffic is increasing. In 2010, for example, the administrators of the Northern Sea Route granted permission for four vessels to transit the icy seaway. Last year, that total had risen to 46. Earlier this month, the figure stood at 270.

> 5 Terrifying Statements in the Leaked Climate Report

> Last Time Carbon Dioxide Levels Were This High: 15 Million Years Ago, Scientists Report

> What Factors Determine Earth's Climate?

> Earth more sensitive to CO2 than previously thought

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                                 BETWEEN TWO AND THREE DEGREES OF WARMING

                                 . . . preventing mass starvation will be as easy as halting the cycles of the moon. First millions, 
                 then billions, of people will face an increasingly tough battle to survive.

                                 To find anything comparable we have to go back to the Pliocene – last epoch of the Tertiary 
                 period, 3m years ago. There were no continental glaciers in the northern hemisphere (trees grew 
                 in the Arctic), and sea levels were 25 metres higher than today’s.

                                 The end of the world is nigh. A three-degree increase in global temperature – possible as early 
                 as 2050 – would throw the carbon cycle into reverse. Instead of absorbing carbon dioxide, vegetation and 
                 soils start to release it. So much carbon pours into the atmosphere that it pumps up atmospheric concentrations 
                 by 250 parts per million by 2100, boosting global warming by another 1.5C. In other words, the Hadley 
                 team had discovered that carbon-cycle feedbacks could tip the planet into runaway global warming by the 
                 middle of this century – much earlier than anyone had expected.
We're currently about one fifth of the way to this 3C benchmark . . .

                                 BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE DEGREES OF WARMING

                                 We are looking now at an entirely different planet. Ice sheets have vanished from both poles; 
                 rainforests have burnt up and turned to desert; the dry and lifeless Alps resemble the High Atlas; 
                 rising seas are scouring deep into continental interiors. One temptation may be to shift populations 
                 from dry areas to the newly thawed regions of the far north, in Canada and Siberia. Even here, though, 
                 summers may be too hot for crops to be grown away from the coasts; and there is no guarantee that 
                 northern governments will admit southern refugees.
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The NASA report I linked to earlier indicates that we will likely hit a 5C increase in temp much sooner than anyone expected . . .

.

wait, what did you say?

    Then, if you want to do something

. . . so . . . does that make you part of The Climate Change Denial Industry . . .

    ? 
kleinbl00  ·  3689 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    wait, what did you say?

...that stuff. that stuff up there. That stuff that basically says "global warming can no longer be stopped, it can only be slowed and even that is a lot less useful than dealing with the consequences."

Those two books I linked? I've read them. So throwing a whole bunch of OccupyWallSt links at me? Yeah, preaching to the choir, homie.

But what I don't understand is what you're so bent about. All i said was that you oughtta read up to get some perspective and that there are organizations that are doing what they can against climate change.

I'm not sure how getting all fleck-lipped about it is somehow better than, you know, wrapping your head around it and assessing it with a clear eye, but whatever.

mk - something in your emailer choked on the context above. Here's all I got via email:

Hi kleinbl00. ZenDog just replied to your post: So... based on your links and based on your viewpoint, what I'm going to recommend is some reading up on global warming.

For one thing, we're past the tipping point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

ZenDog wrote:

wait, what did you say?| Then, if you want to do somethingSo in other words, I really shouldn't do anything at all, right now, or even ever without first . . . reading something . . . .something like . . . THIS: > This is not cool> Along with the Arctic ice, the rich world's smugness will melt", by George Monbiot> The Crossroads clearly before us: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math; by Bill McKibben> Here’s a story that should be the lead across the nation: > Climate Change Is Happening Faster Than You Think > Already, traffic is increasing. In 2010, for example, the administrators of the Northern Sea Route granted permission for four vessels to transit the icy seaway. Last year, that total had risen to 46. Earlier this month, the figure stood at 270.> 5 Terrifying Statements in the Leaked Climate ReportLast Time Carbon Dioxide Levels Were This High: 15 Million Years Ago, Scientists Report What Factors Determine Earth's Climate?+ Earth more sensitive to CO2 than previously thought

user-inactivated  ·  3689 days ago  ·  link  ·  

you sounded like you were advocating doing nothing. All the information I've read seems to indicate that doing nothing is really not a solution. And whatever various organizations may be doing now the fact remains -

Congressional Denial of Global Warming is INSANE

Given that INSANITY and the facts themselves, it makes little sense to find someone posing as an intellectual advocating do nothing -

and therefore IF I am preaching and IF you are indeed the choir then surely one of us is in the entirely wrong building . . .

The whole purpose and intent of this post was to encourage some new thinking among a bunch of writers an' shit, around the subject of how this denialism perpetuates itself, who profits, and what possible solutions might present, short of, you know, . . .

cutting off rush limpballs head

You aren't interested in rocking the boat? Why is that? Are you scared?

what will you look like a decade from now?

.

and as for that stuff up there, I've read all of it. Some of it I even found all by my self . . . can you imagine? Well, with a little Google of course . . .