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Hell  ·  3712 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Alec Baldwin: Good-bye, Public Life

Nigger is not a word that get's thrown around very frequently by white people except by those who are actually racist or are intentionally use it to cause harm, or by black people themselves who are referring to someone of their own race in a negative light. So it would be out of character for Alec to use that word considering the general vocabulary and conditions of his upbringing. But if he did in fact use that word, it would more likely be seen as racist.

But he didn't. And you can bring up what if situations to try and manipulate "my logic" as you see it, but I prefer to base my reasoning on what actually happened.

So, let me know when you're not comparing involuntary swearing after being assaulted by a paparazzi to the physical act of manslaughter, because clearly hyperbole is something you're susceptible to and it's muddying your message. Cool?





_refugee_  ·  3712 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I purposefully used both a very relevant example, and a hyperbolic example. However, even in simple traffic accidents, we don't live in a society where not intending to do something is considered a valid defense for having actually done it. That point still stands.

Baldwin used a word or word(s) that groups that have historically been discriminated against find inflammatory. Regardless of why he used that word, he still offended those people. You're basically saying "Oh, he hurt these people's feelings, but that's okay because he didn't mean to, and on top of that they're just being sensitive people."

I think that it is up to the marginalized group to determine what is offensive to them, not members of the dominant culture.

    Nigger is not a word that get's thrown around very frequently by white people except by those who are actually racist or are intentionally use it to cause harm

Yeah, but what if Baldwin had just, you know, like grown up in the south and people around him used that word all the time so he was raised to believe it's okay? So he just used it because he was raised always hearing it, and he didn't realize it was a slur?

That doesn't make it okay.

Hell  ·  3712 days ago  ·  link  ·  

1. We're not talking about traffic incidents. Your point is invalid.

2. If we left it up to margininalized groups to determine what is offensive and what isn't, we run the risk of an even more oppressive society where words are no longer words, but something we can be prosecuted for. Oh wait that is already happening.

That aside, of course the marginalized groups will speak up, and they should. But in this case with Alec Baldwin, even amongst people who identify as LGBT, they are conflicted. Just ask Dan Savage.

3. Again, he didn't say nigger. That was your reach to discredit the semantics of the word cocksucker. But if he did say that word, I'm guessing the reaction would be about the same as what happened to Paula Deen, who was born in the south, and who was not let off the hook. Of course that's not ok.

I think the question here why is this even an issue? Do you know how many racist things I hear every week just walking down the street? Because it came from a celebrity, in a moment of clear frustration he should absolutely be held to the neck for his words? You can't tell me you've never, ever said anything that could be perceived as a slight to a marginalized group, in all your life. The difference is you don't have a camera in your face recording it.