What I said: What you said: What I said: So what you're saying is that I agreed with you when I quoted you to say you were incorrect. Just so we're clear: Your standpoint is that the amount of energy is the same, therefore nothing else needs to be calculated. My standpoint is that the speed of energy transfer is what we're focused on, therefore we have to calculate a whole bunch of ugly shit. Worse, you're no longer arguing fact, you're attempting to depose me - you're trying to argue my statements hold no value because you think you've tricked me into contradicting myself. This isn't court, this is physics, and no matter how much you wish to dance around the issue, I have a lot more training in it than you do - which means, I suspect, that you can't even follow my arguments closely enough to understand them. Further, it doesn't matter how much smarter you think you are or how incorrect you presume me to be, the fact remains: I spent several thousands of dollars being tested on this stuff in an ABET-certified 4-year institution (one of the top ten in the country at the time, in fact) and I feel like I'm beating a dead horse: This isn't a Physics 101 problem. Which only makes the following that much more insulting: So. You and your high school physics can be as self-assured as you wish about this particular problem. I said before and I'll say again: it's a lot more complex than you think. I'll add this, though: I no longer have any interest in helping to illuminate the problem to you. I've been purposefully ignoring your condescending tone in the face of an exceptional amount of patience, but I can't do it any more. Good luck with this and your future endeavors.Right there. You said it really does matter how you cool it.
It does. It really does. All the stuff you're discounting is the difference between "real world performance" and "ideal performance" and even "ideal performance" doesn't get anywhere without conduction and convection at a bare minimum.
The amount of energy it takes to raise or lower a gram of water by 1C doesn't change depending on how you do it.
No. But the SPEED does. The EFFICIENCY does. And your entire line of questioning is about "how long."
It's clear to me that you're not going to wrap your head around this problem or how it's solved. I was hoping to get the light bulb to come on for you.
So, what is that, the fourth time you've removed yourself from this conversation? No, it's what you're focused on. Wow. Go back and read your own posts in this thread. You have been extremely condescending towards me. Would you speak to your work peers or boss the way you have to me? Here's a rundown of your total contribution here: 1. This problem is too difficult for me; I have a masters degree in engineering. (Where'd you get it, Ohio State?) 2. Ambient conditions matter. Like, on a humid day, spherical ice melts less, but on a dry day, square cubes will melt less. Or is it the other way around? You never enlightened us on that, you only said that it mattered... 3. Spherical ice cools faster because it's bigger. (Highlighting to me that you don't understand the difference between shape and size.) 4. The laws of thermodynamics are over-simplifications of the real world and do not apply to something as complex as melting ice. (Even though those laws were conceived and proven by observations from the real world.) Thanks for all your thoughtful contributions!My standpoint is that the speed of energy transfer is what we're focused on
ignoring your condescending tone
Right. it's a cute equation. Positively adorable.