Every once in a while, we have discussions here on hubski about hubski. Like Ask Hubski, Reposts and the Better Angels of our Nature, Unfollow Guilt and What Hubski can learn from old-timey forums. It's been a while since we had a discussion like that, and I've been sitting on some unanswered questions & ideas that I'd like to share and discuss.

Over a week ago, kleinbl00 commented on the dehumanizing nature of reddit. It reminded me of an older comment of his and got me thinking. One of the conclusions of earlier discussions was that we should aim to make hubski even more human. It's one of the things hubski does well and what makes this community more than the sum of its parts. There's a reason the bar analogy is often used to describe hubski. I think this place should be about the people and their conversations, just like a bar. At the same time I think that with the combined knowledge that we have here, we can make hubski more human than it already is. The question then is not if, but how: how can we make hubski even more human?

I've got some ideas for y'all to shoot at. They're mostly refined ideas that sprouted from earlier discussions, but they got slightly buried. In one of the posts at the top I talked with thenewgreen about ways to improve the relationship between users. We came to the conclusion that a good step to do that would be to make relationships easier to foster. When I'm discussing with someone here, I'd like to know who I'm talking to. Questions that arise then, are: who are you? How do I know you and what is our history until now? I think I have some ideas to answer those questions.

Who are you?

One of the ideas was to maybe introduce avatars. As much as I'd like to believe I have good memory, it happens every now and then that I forget who the people behind the usernames are. It's just not that simple to link all the conversations I have had with the right username. Avatars would help to recognize other users and make it easier to get to know users. But they are far too obtrusive to the layout, and not having an avatar makes you stand out, which shouldn't happen. Currently, you can embed images in your profile like I have. The bio does a great job at this already. Maybe we could get more people to have a visual bio by introducing something along the lines of MIT's Media Lab: an algorithm that generates a deviation of the logo based on the username sounds cool. Another idea I had was to ask people what piece of art they like best, and display that.

How do I know you?

I don't have a brilliant memory, so once in a while I forget who I'm talking to. Currently there's a counter that tells you how many posts someone shared of you. But I think we can do more with this. Wouldn't it be great to be able to see who that person is in relation to yourself? E.g. they joined x days earlier, they comment more or share less often than you. How many dialogues have you had. Do they share the same things you do? And those metrics are just with what we have available now. These could be visible in a hover window, like insomniasexx designed here

Of course, there is more to relations than numbers. One of the functionalities I'm missing is a quick way to see previous dialogues with others. I'd love to go read my previous conversations with someone, where ideally I could sort dialogues from oldest to newest, the other way around, by most shared and by length. You could define a dialogue as subsequent posts where person A says something, person B responds and person A responds to that. Or make it longer - ABABA - that isn't really important. This could easily be placed on someones bio so you can see the latest dialogue.

What do I think of you?

Ideally, I would look at someone's name and go aah, you're mk, you started this place. But often, that requires me to analyze their bio to figure out who they are, and most people don't have simple labels. Reddit has RES tags, where you can label persons anything you like. Maybe this can be implemented in the hover screen, where you could have a small field to say something about a person. A mnemonic, for me to remember who someone is.

All of these ideas together might be too much, but I do think all of these can make hubski more human. I'd love to hear some thoughts though. Especially the recent influx of people: how do you think we can improve getting to know each other here? Do you recognize a lot of names already?

Btw, due to time zones, I'll probably be responding tomorrow sometime.

kleinbl00:

I would cautiously endorse some of these things if they were very specifically opt IN.

It's useful to me to be a semirandom-appearing string of letters and numbers and nothing else. I'm perfectly okay with others populating their cosmology with whatever shape they judge me to be.

If someone wants to click on my page, fine. They'll see I have an embarrassing number of badges and a disturbing number of followers. I don't really want that to enter into the conversation, though. It shouldn't matter. Those are not things that I have done, they are not things I am proud of, they are external judgements of an inhuman system attempting to quantify me via an arbitrary metric that may or may not have the first thing to do with my life.

These things matter. Reddit recently rolled out a gauge by which you can see how much Reddit Gold a person has bought... and how much Reddit Gold has been bought for them. Mine is disgusting. Donations on my behalf have powered Reddit for about a week's worth (I think one gilded comment is good for six minutes). That's the kind of shit you get judged for - "why are you such an asshole when clearly someone bought you years and years worth of Reddit Gold?" Fuck you, I'm an asshole because I feel like being an asshole. Don't hold me to some imaginary standard that I had nothing to do with.

You can hide that one, though, which makes it moot. I don't have to deal with that one. The moderator one, though...

So when diemorz folded up the stattit tent, there was no real way to see who modded what, which fucked other mods over because they couldn't see who had any qualifications for modding. So now every user's page shows how many subreddits they mod - public and private. Result? A whole bunch of mods pruned a whole bunch of moderatorships all of a sudden because the rabble began to rouse.

If we're going to do avatars, floating stat boxes and all the rest, I want the opt-in. Not as in "I'll show you some cutesy icon avatar because this user hasn't uploaded a picture or tied their Facebook account to this terrible page" but DARKNESS. If I haven't uploaded an avatar, I want you to see nothing. If I haven't given the system permission to show my followers and following, I want you to see nothing. If I haven't given the system permission to show a pop-up window of any kind, I want you to sit there frustrated at the enigma of me.

By the bye, know what I hate? That hubski.com thinks I'm "interested in" anything. That's for me to fill in, not statistical modeling. I'm actually keenly interested in Tuvan throat singing but since that's not a tag we see much, we'll never know. Meanwhile, Hubski thinks I'm "interested in" Reddit when the fact of the matter is I see a lot of ignorance and feel duty bound to dispel it. I'm "interested in" Reddit the way a janitor is interested in spills.

You wanna tag me? Fine. Tag away. So long as nobody gets to see those tags but you and possibly me.

The act of dehumanization is the act of removing control. Right now I have control over the darkness that is my dossier. You start pressuring me into filling that up and we're dehumanizing like it's Krystallnacht.


posted 3696 days ago