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Nerd_doe  ·  1855 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Open Letter to Terry Gross regarding NPR's segment on "sounding gay"

I also read the response linked before this letter here from another linguist which in particular makes a good point about the prevalence of vocal fry in under 40s and how differently it's perceived by over 40s vs. under 40s.

My takeaway from all this is that the way I talk probably is just fine for my health, and a nice amalgamation of my various traits. Likely people of my generation will take me seriously just fine.

Nerd_doe  ·  1855 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Open Letter to Terry Gross regarding NPR's segment on "sounding gay"

I have to say I don't think there is a natural voice, in that while your physical make up may limit your possibilities, your voice has been influenced by your childhood, the languages you speak, the particular variants of those languages you use, and your age and background. How could you disentangle all of those factors to find a natural voice? And which factors if any are the 'natural' ones?

graphictruth  ·  1845 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The ones that you can't easily change, I'd say... the ones that you can't change without being someone else entirely, with or without the aid of surgery.

But to argue against myself, I think the most useful definition is "the voice that seems most expressive of who you naturally feel you are." A profoundly banal insight, that is.

Nerd_doe  ·  1857 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Ask Hubski: Guns. Do You Have One? Do You Want One?

I don't own a gun. I don't want one. I have depression, and the less ways I have to do something stupid, the better.

But I do have a hunting bow, a compound one. I can't fire it into myself, but I can go hunting.

I don't want to kill anybody, not even a home intruder.

Nerd_doe  ·  1857 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: An essay about explaining racism from the guy who wrote "Go the Fuck to Sleep"

I wish I had mentioned the riots in Ferguson.

First of all, I'm offended by your suggestion it's a black mindset. The largest race riot in US history was the Tulsa Race Riot in which a group of white people attacked the richest black community in the US and burned it to the ground. It's no more black, than lynching is a white mindset.

I support the rioters in the sense that I know that they suffered injustice and those riots weren't born in a vacuum. The Department of Justice Ferguson report found that there was unconstitutional policing which included discriminatory intent against African Americans.

The pressure in both Ferguson and Baltimore was building for a long time before riots ever happened and nothing was done. The people rioted out of frustration and anger and desperation, and to reduce it to 'a mindset' really trivializes the issues involved.

Please, take the time to look at the resources that are out there.

There are some ridiculous cases. For instance peaceful protestors taking milk from a McDonalds after they were tear gassed was reported by the media as looting. Fox news took a chant against police violence and distorted the sound so the protestors appeared to be saying "kill all cops". CNN Photoshopped people's signs. I'm not saying we should get our tinfoil hats, just that the media has made distortions for clicks before, and its worth it to try to look for more than one perspective.

In particular I'd urge you to look at some of the things locals in these areas, and other black people in the US have written about what's going on now. They express things with more clarity and insight than I can certainly.

Ultimately 266 years just isn't as long of a time as Americans think. The effects of the actions of the very first colonists are still being felt today in other areas, its almost farcical to think that wouldn't apply to racism.

TheVenerableCain  ·  1856 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I apologize. I don't mean to offend with my words or implications thereof.

I don't mean to say that the riots themselves were a mindset, only that the seemingly wanton destruction of their own neighborhoods was. I can't understand the logic of destroying your own businesses, homes, or any other property. I do understand that police were extremely discriminatory in both situations and I do understand that the deaths of Michael Brown and Freddie Gray served as catalysts for the riots. However, I don't think that the behavior displayed by the people in either situation should be condoned, regardless of why it happened. What more did they gain by violently rioting instead of peacefully protesting? (Legitimate question, not trying to bait you into an argument.)

I agree on the distortion of events by the mainstream media. Reading through a few different sources cited the riots as mostly peaceful with pockets of violence that were magnified by media attention specifically focused on violence. Since I read it after typing the above paragraph, I'll leave it there and say that I learned something new, thanks to you.

I appreciate your insight.

Urbscholar  ·  1856 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A riot is the voice of the unheard. You're looking for rationality among the oppressed in the face of the irrationality of the oppressor. Why do the oppressed have the obligation to be somehow more rational? Why is it any less logical to destroy an area in which you live (and to be honest, a CVS in Baltimore and a convenience store in Ferguson aren't really the high water mark of community pillars) but why is it less logical to destroy those places than to allow cops to kill black people and get away with it?

You're asking the wrong questions I think.

More importantly, and this is a bit more daring, but the uprisings should be condoned because violent uprising is the only route to actual changes. The feds came into Ferguson and Baltimore for oversight of police actions after the uprisings. The Civil Rights Act didn't get signed because of people sitting in neat little rows making clever arguments and begging for power to be given to them. It may be an uncomfortable truth, but power isn't given willingly to the oppressed.

TheVenerableCain  ·  1856 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I try to approach situations through the path of logic and reason. That's just how my brain works and it's hard for me to see a different view. All of this is an attempt at doing that. In my mind, I would see the oppressed taking a more rational approach than the oppressor as an extra mark in favor of the oppressed. They're having to live through unreasonable conditions born out of hate and yet they rise above it in spectacular fashion, refusing to bend to the call of violence.

However, I do understand that this approach wouldn't garner as much media attention. Unfortunately, the media only cares about how much stuff got blown up because ratings, so I can understand how resorting to violence may the the only option to get your cause onto the national stage.

Not everyone who fought for civil rights in the 50s and 60s used violence to achieve their goals. I can't imagine that the violent protesters would have succeeded without those refusing to take part in violent acts. Maybe nonviolence wouldn't have been a success either. I don't truly know enough about all of it to make a solid statement.

What are the right questions?

Nerd_doe  ·  1857 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: An essay about explaining racism from the guy who wrote "Go the Fuck to Sleep"

As far as understanding racial struggle I think this is where systemic comes in. For example, the prison pipeline. Why do black people go to jail more? Profiling is one factor, but there are others. For instance, housing and education. Poverty increases the likelihood of criminal activity. A black person in the US is more likely to be poor than a white person, and that greater likelihood of poverty is a consequence of the history of white control over black people. Black people were barred from better housing by law, were segregated into lower quality schools, etc. At no point was separate but equal truly equal. Black people were denied higher paying jobs. Black people patronized white businesses, but the reverse wasn't true. When white people move into a neighborhood, it's gentrifying, whereas when POC started moving into a neighborhood after house prices drop, white folks started moving out.

A lot of the white people I knew when told any of this, took it as a guilt trip, or ask why black people don't pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Being the 'default race', they don't see themselves in terms of the actions of their race, but continue to categorize other races by the actions of people of the same race.

A non racially charged example of this knock on effect idea might be the increased prevalence of prescription drug abuse in Appalachian Virginia, which is a consequence of the history of absentee land owner landlords, lower education, and orientation around back breaking mine work which then collapsed.

I'm coming at this as a mixed race immigrant turned American expat,which is probably relevant to what I have to say about American race relations.

The point I get from 'people are dying' is that specifically police violence against black and hispanic people is being justified as statistically supported profiling, when its not clear the statistics actually bear that out.

I disagree with them segregating themselves from white people to talk about race because although the best teacher would be talking to people of other races, as someone of another race I get emotionally exhausted sometimes, having to argue about things I have a personal stake in with white people who don't believe me, don't want to believe me, and are less likely to even care what I have to say because I'm not white. It's probably easier for a white person who has tried to inform themselves about these issues to have that discussion than it is for me.

What would I like you to do about it? Educate your fellow white folks? Challenge your knee jerk reactions? Consider whether anti-white attitudes are really as prevalent as you might think and/or where they might come from? Personally, I just lost faith that America is a good place for a person like me to live and stopped believing that would change, so I suppose I have given up, same as the author.

TheVenerableCain  ·  1857 days ago  ·  link  ·  

First off, sorry if my post came off as a knee jerk reaction. I intended only to point out the fallacies perpetrated by both authors and some of the things I felt were either unfair, untrue, or worked to undo what both authors (probably) want - an equal ground to stand on for all races. As an aside, I don't understand why we call ourselves "the human race" but segregate ourselves into additional "races." It seems stupid.

Is the current education system still actively or passively trying to push black people into poverty and/or prison?

    A lot of the white people I knew when told any of this, took it as a guilt trip, or ask why black people don't pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Being the 'default race', they don't see themselves in terms of the actions of their race, but continue to categorize other races by the actions of people of the same race.

I believe this is the same point that Mansbach was making. I actually do agree with this, though I didn't notice it until he and you pointed it out. I'll have to think on how to remedy that.

I don't think anyone is happy with the police right now. Maybe it could be a bonding force between everyone. minimum_wage posted this about gathering data on police union contracts and hopefully getting something positive done on that front. I don't know specifics, but it looks like they want to revise the contracts to force a higher level of accountability in police. I think that it's a concrete example "we're tired of this and are working to fix it."

As a white person, I don't feel any more power to change how people view each other than you do. I don't know if the answer relies on a personal change, a national law or laws, or some combination of both. I also don't want to be perceived as patronizing if/when I try to help someone who's black. For example: I feel like I could pay for the little old white lady's groceries, but if I did it to a little old black lady, I'd be a smug white asshole who thinks he can throw his money at the poor black folks. So, I don't help anyone. Maybe other white people have a similar feeling of uncertainty when dealing with these kinds of issues and therefore choose inaction over possible offense.

The one thing I will say that's really not helping black people is that the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore showed them burning, looting, and generally destroying everything. That can't be the best way to resolve your problems. I'm not sure where that mindset stems from, or if it's exclusively a black mindset, but nobody that I know who watched those events unfold could support the rioters.

With that all said, I don't think that there is a prevalence of anti-white attitudes, but I can see how they could possibly stem from those who suffered in the times pre-civil rights and passed down their experiences to their children and so on. Being profiled by cops and regular people certainly doesn't help. It's all a foreign world to me, so thanks for shedding a bit more light on your viewpoint.

Nerd_doe  ·  1857 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wish I had mentioned the riots in Ferguson.

First of all, I'm offended by your suggestion it's a black mindset. The largest race riot in US history was the Tulsa Race Riot in which a group of white people attacked the richest black community in the US and burned it to the ground. It's no more black, than lynching is a white mindset.

I support the rioters in the sense that I know that they suffered injustice and those riots weren't born in a vacuum. The Department of Justice Ferguson report found that there was unconstitutional policing which included discriminatory intent against African Americans.

The pressure in both Ferguson and Baltimore was building for a long time before riots ever happened and nothing was done. The people rioted out of frustration and anger and desperation, and to reduce it to 'a mindset' really trivializes the issues involved.

Please, take the time to look at the resources that are out there.

There are some ridiculous cases. For instance peaceful protestors taking milk from a McDonalds after they were tear gassed was reported by the media as looting. Fox news took a chant against police violence and distorted the sound so the protestors appeared to be saying "kill all cops". CNN Photoshopped people's signs. I'm not saying we should get our tinfoil hats, just that the media has made distortions for clicks before, and its worth it to try to look for more than one perspective.

In particular I'd urge you to look at some of the things locals in these areas, and other black people in the US have written about what's going on now. They express things with more clarity and insight than I can certainly.

Ultimately 266 years just isn't as long of a time as Americans think. The effects of the actions of the very first colonists are still being felt today in other areas, its almost farcical to think that wouldn't apply to racism.

TheVenerableCain  ·  1856 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I apologize. I don't mean to offend with my words or implications thereof.

I don't mean to say that the riots themselves were a mindset, only that the seemingly wanton destruction of their own neighborhoods was. I can't understand the logic of destroying your own businesses, homes, or any other property. I do understand that police were extremely discriminatory in both situations and I do understand that the deaths of Michael Brown and Freddie Gray served as catalysts for the riots. However, I don't think that the behavior displayed by the people in either situation should be condoned, regardless of why it happened. What more did they gain by violently rioting instead of peacefully protesting? (Legitimate question, not trying to bait you into an argument.)

I agree on the distortion of events by the mainstream media. Reading through a few different sources cited the riots as mostly peaceful with pockets of violence that were magnified by media attention specifically focused on violence. Since I read it after typing the above paragraph, I'll leave it there and say that I learned something new, thanks to you.

I appreciate your insight.

Urbscholar  ·  1856 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A riot is the voice of the unheard. You're looking for rationality among the oppressed in the face of the irrationality of the oppressor. Why do the oppressed have the obligation to be somehow more rational? Why is it any less logical to destroy an area in which you live (and to be honest, a CVS in Baltimore and a convenience store in Ferguson aren't really the high water mark of community pillars) but why is it less logical to destroy those places than to allow cops to kill black people and get away with it?

You're asking the wrong questions I think.

More importantly, and this is a bit more daring, but the uprisings should be condoned because violent uprising is the only route to actual changes. The feds came into Ferguson and Baltimore for oversight of police actions after the uprisings. The Civil Rights Act didn't get signed because of people sitting in neat little rows making clever arguments and begging for power to be given to them. It may be an uncomfortable truth, but power isn't given willingly to the oppressed.

TheVenerableCain  ·  1856 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I try to approach situations through the path of logic and reason. That's just how my brain works and it's hard for me to see a different view. All of this is an attempt at doing that. In my mind, I would see the oppressed taking a more rational approach than the oppressor as an extra mark in favor of the oppressed. They're having to live through unreasonable conditions born out of hate and yet they rise above it in spectacular fashion, refusing to bend to the call of violence.

However, I do understand that this approach wouldn't garner as much media attention. Unfortunately, the media only cares about how much stuff got blown up because ratings, so I can understand how resorting to violence may the the only option to get your cause onto the national stage.

Not everyone who fought for civil rights in the 50s and 60s used violence to achieve their goals. I can't imagine that the violent protesters would have succeeded without those refusing to take part in violent acts. Maybe nonviolence wouldn't have been a success either. I don't truly know enough about all of it to make a solid statement.

What are the right questions?

Nerd_doe  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: To Lose Weight, Eating Less Is Far More Important Than Exercising More

I do find that exercise helps me manage my depression and general energy levels enough to actual stick to diet change.

Nerd_doe  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why I Defaulted on My Student Loans

Fair enough, but I still don't understand why the fact that the money 'created' by the loan relationship (as the BoE put it) isn't erased by the payment and end of the loan relationship isn't relevant. That is, there's new money in circulation, and nothing happens to take it back out? Isn't that inflation in action?

My mother was abusive. The helicopter parent idea, and its general acceptance allowed her to blend right in with real parents. She cloaked extraordinarily controlling behavior in the clothes of helicopter parenting which has made me extremely sour towards both that idea and the 'tiger mother' idea.

The reality from my perspective is, constantly having someone looking over your shoulder does breed anxiety. You are after all being watched, and often criticized. Further this attitude of parenting keeps the kids from learning life skills and independence, which keeps them dependent. Helicopter parents then use that to justify their control. This behavior also breeds a feeling of helplessness, as you are aware you lack skills, but also feel you have so little control because of all the scrutiny and constant following orders, that you can't do anything. I can easily see how this leads to low self worth and depression.

Nerd_doe  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why I Defaulted on My Student Loans

This man has the same attitude as young people who take payday loans, then never pay them back. If the person taking a debt doesn't pay it, others will have to pay that debt for them in one way or another. The extreme case being the devaluation of the currency or the economy as a whole.

Money isn't free, if it were we could just print more all the time and solve problems that way. That this man's stance is somehow intellectual or philosophical compared to youths taking payday loans is class-ism.

deepflows  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Your views on what money is, how it is created and how loans work are outdated by a at least several decades. Nobody is paying for the loans you default on and 97% of all money is created when commercial banks grant loans. A 2015 study offered solid evidence that individual banks indeed create money "out of thin air". I have linked that study several times, this thread included. Money and loans are not what you think they are.

Nerd_doe  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fair enough, but I still don't understand why the fact that the money 'created' by the loan relationship (as the BoE put it) isn't erased by the payment and end of the loan relationship isn't relevant. That is, there's new money in circulation, and nothing happens to take it back out? Isn't that inflation in action?

Nerd_doe  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why I Defaulted on My Student Loans

It seems to me the author of this piece chose selfishness. I have to agree with the Slate response. This op ed is irresponsible, and I cannot believe the man is writing a book about money.

deepflows  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What's irresponsible about it?

Nerd_doe  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This man has the same attitude as young people who take payday loans, then never pay them back. If the person taking a debt doesn't pay it, others will have to pay that debt for them in one way or another. The extreme case being the devaluation of the currency or the economy as a whole.

Money isn't free, if it were we could just print more all the time and solve problems that way. That this man's stance is somehow intellectual or philosophical compared to youths taking payday loans is class-ism.

deepflows  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Your views on what money is, how it is created and how loans work are outdated by a at least several decades. Nobody is paying for the loans you default on and 97% of all money is created when commercial banks grant loans. A 2015 study offered solid evidence that individual banks indeed create money "out of thin air". I have linked that study several times, this thread included. Money and loans are not what you think they are.

Nerd_doe  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fair enough, but I still don't understand why the fact that the money 'created' by the loan relationship (as the BoE put it) isn't erased by the payment and end of the loan relationship isn't relevant. That is, there's new money in circulation, and nothing happens to take it back out? Isn't that inflation in action?

Gumbo  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Other people lent him money. He did not pay them back. How is that NOT irresponsible.

deepflows  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Because it wasn't people lending him that money. Could you at least bother finding out how the current monetary system works before articulating strong opinions? Because as it is, all you're doing is demonstrating deeply ingrained cultural programming.

This is beginning to get tiresome. If nobody can be bothered to actually read the evidence, complete with documentation, that one offers because it looks too much like an academic paper (which it is), then I really don't know how we're going to have a serious and honest discussion that's nor just a reiterration of those same old talking points.

"PAY YOUR DEBT OR YOU SHALL BE DISHONORED, PEON!" is a mentality which serves nobody but the guys living off that tasty compound interest. You know, the same people who'll happily pay themselves a nice big bonus after just having been bailed out by the general public. Have a look at this link. Those numbers are peer reviewed. See the total outstanding amount? Yes, that's 1.54 trillion $. And here you guys are, getting worked up about how a guy defaulted on his student loans.

Do I think that guy acted responsibly or that he has any right to compare himself to today's struggling students? Not at all. Are all of you getting worked up about minor issues while the elephant in the room has just grabbed grandma and is about to stomp the couch? Absolutely.

Gumbo  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·  

SOMEONE had control of that money prior to lending it to him. SOMEONE OWNED the money prior to giving it to him. If that is not a correct statement, please, enlighten me, oh wise deepflows.

deepflows  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No need for sarcasm, Gumbo.

I'll just leave this here. It's a PDF. Just jump to the conclusion if you don't want to read it all, you can still go over the whole thing if you want.

Once you're done, why not have a look at what The Bank of England itself has to say about the matter.

    Whenever a bank makes a loan, it simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money. [...] In reality, neither are reserves a binding constraint on lending, nor does the central bank fix the amount of reserves that are available. As with the relationship between deposits and loans, the relationship between reserves and loans typically operates in the reverse way to that described in some economics textbooks.

When you're done, why don't you tell me if SOMEONE OWNED the money prior to giving it to him.

You're welcome.

_refugee_  ·  1860 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Nerd_doe  ·  1863 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Windows 10

Thanks for your response. I didn't know it was possible to play vanilla wow! I'll be sure to check that out too.

Blankstamped  ·  1863 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Have fun! :)

Nerd_doe  ·  1864 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: “Just be yourself” is cruel, fraudulent advice to give young people - Salon.com

My much longer reply got deleted, so I'll try to be shorter.

Dolezal is being herself not because she was born a liar, but because she became one over time and rather than evaluate, and try to become someone else (i.e. stop lying to get things) she continued to do so. She learned that lying works, and was uncritical of who that made her as a person.

JBY is advice that encourages tunnel vision, and an undue faith in the rightness of who we are at a given time simply because it's who we are right now. That's what makes it bad advice.

Dolezal believes in the validity of her attempt to 'become black'. She believes that rather than being a liar, she's 'trans-racial'. What she sees as transitioning to being black, the rest of the world sees as blackface and costuming, and then lying about it. Hence, as long as she continues the charade (blackface, costuming, paying a black man to pretend to be her dad) she is a liar. That said the pretend father and the lies about her adopted siblings make me think malice might be involved too.

Nerd_doe  ·  1864 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: “Just be yourself” is cruel, fraudulent advice to give young people - Salon.com

Another problem with DWYL (and a way it can tie into classism) is that it creates a culture where one is expected to love what they do. Even if you are DWYL outrageous hours and inadequate compensation are still negative, and they are even more negative when you work a soul sucking job you hate.

Nerd_doe  ·  1864 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: “Just be yourself” is cruel, fraudulent advice to give young people - Salon.com

Actually I find my issue with Rachel Dolezal is that she's 'being herself' as it were. Where who she is is manipulative and dishonest, and ignorant of why living in blackface and lying about your family is an extraordinarily bad idea, or malicious enough not to care.

_refugee_  ·  1864 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sap though i may be, I do generally believe that humans are inherently good people or at least not inherently bad. As a result I confess I do have trouble with the assertion that someone, anyone, is lying because they were just born a liar, and so on.

Nerd_doe  ·  1864 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My much longer reply got deleted, so I'll try to be shorter.

Dolezal is being herself not because she was born a liar, but because she became one over time and rather than evaluate, and try to become someone else (i.e. stop lying to get things) she continued to do so. She learned that lying works, and was uncritical of who that made her as a person.

JBY is advice that encourages tunnel vision, and an undue faith in the rightness of who we are at a given time simply because it's who we are right now. That's what makes it bad advice.

Dolezal believes in the validity of her attempt to 'become black'. She believes that rather than being a liar, she's 'trans-racial'. What she sees as transitioning to being black, the rest of the world sees as blackface and costuming, and then lying about it. Hence, as long as she continues the charade (blackface, costuming, paying a black man to pretend to be her dad) she is a liar. That said the pretend father and the lies about her adopted siblings make me think malice might be involved too.

Nerd_doe  ·  1864 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Windows 10

Can you share more about your gaming experience? Are there compatability issues? Also, for retro games, do the compatability modes still work okay?

Blankstamped  ·  1864 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haven't played any retro games on it yet, unless you count vanilla WoW, which works fine. I've got steam installed, and that works perfectly. So far, no compatibility issues with anything.

phobac97  ·  1864 days ago  ·  link  ·  

How does one play vanilla Wow?

Blankstamped  ·  1864 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Blizzard released the original WoW client, and now there are free servers all over the place. I play Nostalrius Begins. They have their own client package that uses their servers automatically.

Nerd_doe  ·  1863 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for your response. I didn't know it was possible to play vanilla wow! I'll be sure to check that out too.

Blankstamped  ·  1863 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Have fun! :)