I'm aware of /r/theredpill. I know there are places where these people gather. That's not what confuses me. What confuses me is how people get drawn to them. What confuses me is that I have never heard anyone say anything positive about that stuff outside of their communities. I am not quite the target audience, granted, because I've never had a problem talking with women, but I'm in the same neighborhood. I'm a nerdy guy who spends a lot of time on the Internet. I am probably more like your average PUA than not. It seems like I should come across whatever draws people in at some point. I never do. I have seen more people advocating for monarchism than I have seen mens' rights activists in the wild. I know people who seriously believe FEMA runs concentration camps, the moon landing was faked and 9/11 was an inside job and will go on at great, tedious length about their evidence at the drop of a hat, but I don't know anyone who buys those just-so stories about evolutionary biology and gender roles. I have a half-dozen Julius Evola books passing acquaintances have given to me insisting they'd blow my mind, but no one has ever so much as recommended The Game to me. I have been pitched all sorts of batshit, but I have never heard anything good about this stuff without going out of my way to see where they're coming from. That's what confuses me.