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kleinbl00  ·  3274 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Radicalizing the Romanceless

And this is exactly the point: the argument put forth (in a truly oblique and verbose way) is that it is becoming harder to discuss loneliness without being antagonized. Personally, I don't believe this argument is worth a preamble, 7 parts and 7,400 words. I also don't think there's much merit in quoting a blog that makes this point so that you can blow 7400 words agreeing with - but not really agreeing with - the argument.

BUT

That's not the argument you're having.

First you argue that any attempts to be even-handed make the arguments invalid. Then you whip out a dog whistle word. Then you argue that 7400 words of navel-staring isn't introspective enough, then you attack me for bringing your personal reasons into the discussion when you're the one that brought them up. Meanwhile, our debate about the subject started when you dismissed any comparative arguments as invalid and, by the way, have a few times put forth the notion that since "they" (who's "they?") haven't made any new arguments in a year and a half, there's no point in having the discussion at all.

Is "they" "men's rights activists?" Because I'm not one. I don't think anybody here is. Again, I find the tired whingeing of the dateless to be pointless, boring and not useful to their love lives. But I also think that finding an excuse to fling gamergate at anyone with a Y chromosome is unhelpful to the discussion.

Which is, again, the broader point: "this discussion must be held in exactly this way or you are worthy of disparagement and personal attack." I think that's true for far too much on the Internet but in this particular instance, I can actively disagree with the statements and still end up getting tarred with the MRA brush.

So what logical fallacies am I employing? How am I perpetuating radicalization? Because honestly? I'm trying to say "let's talk about this" and the response you're giving is "only those who hate women would dare to talk about this."

I don't think loneliness is a "gendered problem" either. However, I think it's fair to point out that the label "MRA" falls somewhere between "furry" and "pedophile" on the insult severity scale while "radical feminist" is something many people aspire to be. And if those are the two "sides" to the argument, it's hard to argue that they are being made from equivalent ethical standing.