what flies in the jazz singer doesn't fly today because of reasons other than its age. I may not be the boss of you, but your attempts to "gobble up" any and all historical wrongs does nothing to support your point. If it's wrong on its own standings, you shouldn't have to bother with all these comparisons to unrelated materials. "'member that point about singling out women?" There are no examples of singling out men in red dead redemption, no. However, having quest-points that involve specifically killing men are most likely just as common as those specifically singling out women. This isn't specifically a killing, but it took me about ten minutes to find "kick X number of men in the balls" as an achievement in Saints Row 3. I'm sure I could find male-specific things which involve death of a helpless man after enough searching. (although, saints row was the game that had the whole "steal women from pimps" thing. Something that I'd probably agree is quite over the line. As said, there are plenty of GOOD examples of real sexism in the games industry) Game designers don't make these things to single out women, they make them because they are funny, or because they are references to old things. "It's interesting that you think I must experience a system I find repellant in order to argue its repellence. It speaks to a certain lack of rhetorical rigor." I made the argument because you don't seem to have any awareness of just how normal these horrible murdering of innocent people are in games like red dead. You don't need to play the game to know that, but you would know what the game is actually like had you played it. Heck, I haven't even played it.