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thenewgreen  ·  4219 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: 18 years ago 1 year ago no hours left in the day

    I find myself wondering how I can believe something that seems so illogical.
This is the part that gets me too. I wasn't even raised a christian, I started going to church voluntarily as an adult because I felt a sort of "calling" towards Christ. What I've come to realize is that His teachings still call to me in a philosophical "code" sort of way but religion and worship do not call to me what so ever. I can't reconcile how a God would be so insecure as to need me to worship it, it just seems petty to me. Why make us broken, constantly tempt us and then punish us when we don't fix ourselves? Seems like a pretty cruel game imo.

I also can't reconcile how God can be all knowing and claims we have free will. If I have free will but God already knows what I'm going to do, then I was created to do it. There's no "free will" unless God once and a while goes "Damn, I didn't see that coming".

I can't reconcile these things but I do think the lessons that Christ gave us are pretty amazing and as Jefferson famously said, "are as distinguishable as diamonds in a dungheap".

I've not met you (yet) steve, but I would love to talk religion with you someday. Not to debate, not to prosthelytize but just to discuss. There's no need to debate, it always comes down to "I have faith and you don't". It can't be discussed on the plain of logic.

Don't work too hard steve-o.





steve  ·  4219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I've not met you (yet) steve, but I would love to talk religion with you someday. Not to debate, not to prosthelytize but just to discuss. There's no need to debate, it always comes down to "I have faith and you don't". It can't be discussed on the plain of logic.

I couldn't agree more, and I love the discussion. I suppose that's why I threw this out there. I don't like to fight, it's just not worth it. But I do love the pondering, the analysis, and the sharing of ideas. I'm nothing special, but I thought if I "came out" on hubski about being a mormon clergyman it might spark some discussion, especially given the situation in the GOP.

it's gonna be fun when we do meet - too many good hubski topics, and I still owe you a drink at the whiskey bar.

thenewgreen  ·  4219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My entire family will attest to the fact that I have a horrendous memory, but if there is one thing I don't forget... it's a promised drink. "Clergyman"... wow, that just sounds so "adult".

I'm interested to see what is made of Romney's faith during the campaign. It was such a huge part of the Obama/McCain election. We'll see. I'd be glad if it wasn't brought up at all frankly.