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Hubski: Thoughts on new ways people could use Hubksi some day.

by ecib · #hubski
posted 318 days ago · shared by: 8
So I was thinking about Hubski and the different ways people use it, and could one day use it.

I was wondering what it would be like if Hubksi had a feature that catered to groups of people, like companies, institutions, or teams, organizations, groups friends, or events even.

On hubski, we follow different posters, but what if I was part of a small company or a bowling league or whatever, and I wanted to have a sort of 'partitioned' Hubski that consisted of only those people, and they could have the same. It would be like the Hubski version of subreddits, where it is organized around people instead of topics.

The group could be 'packaged' by being populated with the group of users and then named, then you could subscribe to the group of users as a whole.

Kind of far out, and I'm not saying there is a need or even if this is a good idea for a feature, -just something I've been musing on...



by guiseroom 318 days ago  ·  link  
This is one of the great failures of reddit, the powerful platform for building communities that they never knew how powerful it was (and probably still don't). They've been t-building the wrong kind of communities around a hollow core. There's no stopping it. Like a group poop, it just keeps piling on top until brown spills over the bowl. Who wants to be a zombie in a hivemind of indistinguishables posting the same image with ever so slightly altered superimposed text? That's not a community, it's an asylum.

reddit had one real asset, the only thing that generated original content: People. An aggregator like reddit gets its content from everywhere but reddit, that makes its userbase its sole natural resource, and like all natural resources they burned through it with reckless abandon, utilizing it to its least potential, thinking it would never run out. But now it doesn't even have that. reddit consumes everything and produces nothing. It's the perfect paradigm for America.

People are Facebook's product, not their customer. reddit's not that different except reddit never figured out how to mine its massive userbase without also pissing it off. Since its inception, privacy cherishing redditors have made it abundantly clear that they will not be bought and sold.

Instead of selling its users and their information to third parties, reddit should have been selling the third parties to its users. reddit could have opened the doors of its community building platform to any industry to set up shop without selling out (and pissing off) their one product (i.e. people) to the highest bidder like Facebook and Google do. Companies and schools would have paid for access and use of an even more powerful version of reddit's community building platform designed especially for their private organizations but without direct access to the userbase. It would be up to the users to go to them. Like walking into an ARMY recruitment center. You can always turn back.

Say Harvard established an official subreddit that they controlled completely, like a Facebook page, but without all the stifling rules and restrictions. Different from the unofficial /r/Harvard that's in the public domain of the controlling reddit community, this hypothetical edu reddit (/e/Harvard) could only gain access to you and your information if you granted it to them. For any educational institution, this would be a powerful tool that could revolutionize the entire admissions process. Communities built around existing institutional communities.

You might be saying this sounds exactly like Facebook. It's not. While Facebook is always scraping your information, trying finding new ways to chip away at your privacy and soul to whore you out, reddit would put the power in the hands of its users to let them decide. Facebook leaves you no choice; reddit lets you choose. With options. You can remain completely anonymous or not or just a little. The choice is yours.

But that's just one idea. reddit could have provided an artistic platform for the undiscovered talent within its walls with arts reddits (/a/) for musicians and writers and every kind of artist. Like MySpace did for indie music and Deviant Art did for visual art, reddit could have provided a unique home that's not limited to the uniform blue world of Facebook. Instead, the creatives dwindled and fled drowning in a rising sea of mediocrity. Communities built around artists.

These examples aren't the strongest but they probably come with more thought than what reddit has actually done with its powerful community building platform. It's like if NASA used all its resources and technology to create a realistic sounding smelling whoopee cushion.

by ecib 318 days ago  ·  link
    Say Harvard established an official subreddit that they controlled completely, like a Facebook page, but without all the stifling rules and restrictions. Different from the unofficial /r/Harvard that's in the public domain of the controlling reddit community, this hypothetical edu reddit (/e/Harvard) could only gain access to you and your information if you granted it to them. For any educational institution, this would be a powerful tool that could revolutionize the entire admissions process. Communities built around existing institutional communities.

This is more along the lines of the use case I was thinking of. A little Hub you could subscribe to as a member of an org or group, which is administered to some degree (maybe just barely, or to varying degrees). Hubski would be providing a place for pre-existing IRL groups to gather.

by guiseroom 318 days ago  ·  link
I included a longer, more detailed version of these ideas in my manifesto when I sent hueypriest my résumé for the reddit Community Manager position. I didn't want the job or to have to move across country, but I knew I would be good at it. I was bored that day.
by ecib 318 days ago  ·  link
haha, did he ever give you any feedback?
by guiseroom 318 days ago  ·  link
Not really. I'm not entirely sure he read it. It was verbose.
by ecib 318 days ago  ·  link
Hmm. You didn't mention 'minions' did you?
by guiseroom 318 days ago  ·  link
Many times. I seem to recall referring to him as minion on several occasions.
by ruhsler 318 days ago  ·  link
the more popular communities are ruined by trolls racists and people who cannot discuss religion without exploding
by mk 318 days ago  ·  link
I've ruminated along similar lines before. Invite-only following, invite-only tags, or tags that were unique based on a prefix. Like the tag #ecib-mylittleponyclub, could only be used by you. It basically would give people to follow just one facet of a hubskier, if they so chose to do so.

I suppose in the scenario you mention, you could create a hub-tag, then grant its use to others. Something like #mylittleponyclub-hub or #guncrazy-hub. In some sense these would be like subreddits, but only a select few could post to it, yet anyone could follow it.

I also don't know if these are good ideas or not, but good ideas sometimes come when you are thinking up bad ones.

by ruhsler 318 days ago  ·  link
the hash tag would have to have a prefix? or people could steal common tags IE #mylittlepony might be tken up but if you had #!mylittlepony then other could still use the tag if you see what i mean?
by insomniasexx 318 days ago  ·  link
Even having some sort of list at the top or side of special group tags (just regular tags with the ability to pin them to the side bar or whatever) would encourage people to interact more similarly to reddit subreddits - for special interest things like book clubs/film clubs/blowing leagues etc. Reminding people they are there even if they don't check hubski every day and may miss a post.

I don't know if it is a good idea to go into that direction YET...but something to think about.

by briandmyers 318 days ago  ·  link
"Blowing leagues" is the most awesome typo I've seen today. Thanks :-)
by insomniasexx 318 days ago  ·  link
HAHAHA....my goodness. I guess you all know what's on my mind today.
by thenewgreen 318 days ago  ·  link
Bowling?
by ecib 318 days ago  ·  link
It wasn't a typo.

I kid.

by mk 318 days ago  ·  link
The idea of pinning tags to the side bar is interesting. Not sure about that exactly, but the function of bookmarking tags is something to think on for sure.
by ecib 318 days ago  ·  link
There definitely is space for it on the left. But pinning tags or even establishing groups starts to wander into 'topic' territory. For me, I'm not sure if that's the best thing to encourage, even though I think it would be used.
by insomniasexx 318 days ago  ·  link
Exactly my thoughts. Especially as we are growing...established communities like reddit might become the norm, etc.
by mk 318 days ago  ·  link
Communities are a double edged sword, IMHO. There are definitely plusses to having communities, but the one thing I can't stand, is community membership becoming a proxy for anything that would otherwise need to be personally earned.
by thenewgreen 318 days ago  ·  link
I've been thinking of a way that I could update when we would hold discussions around the #hubskifilmclub and I know it would be handy for the #hubskibookclub too. But then, I guess this could be handled by being able to "follow" a post and get notifications when someone commented on it. Which is something you somebody mentioned that I think is a great idea.

Hmmm.. having "forums" or something like that? I had once thought that a community page that showed various hubski initiatives might be nice: film club, book...etc. But these would be open to anyone.

How is this different than blocking people from being able to see content? Wouldn't some people just use it as a way to have insulated groups that others can't join in on? Not that this is all together bad. Just thinking out loud.

How is this different than a subreddit? Can't someone right now have a subreddit called /r/royaloaksoftballteam?

by ecib 318 days ago  ·  link
This is different than a subreddit in my mind in that it is a little more static regarding the users. It would like a mini hub comprised solely of one group of people. I wasn't imagining a situation where anybody can wander in and join.
by thenewgreen 318 days ago  ·  link
Well, I know one guy that will love this.
by ruhsler 318 days ago  ·  link
Hubski should avoid being too similar to reddit iam sure they will id also like to think Hubski could be a Porn free environment?
by ecib 317 days ago  ·  link
I agree, -I'm pretty wary of Hubski being centered too much around 'topics' instead of 'people', and groups could just end up being a way to introduce topics by proxy, which would suck. Just because some (or even many) people would use a feature, doesn't mean that feature should exist.

The porn thing I never really thought about. I didn't even realize it was on Reddit for the first year and a half I was on there despite having a shit-ton of comment karma. How that escaped me I have no idea, but at any rate, I could see an even greater degree if insulation on Huski from that sort of content. If you are not following anybody who posts or links to it, you might never know it exists.

by psulli 318 days ago  ·  link
So we need some sort of kinship system amongst users that is greater than following posts?

So I am lame and trying to stick with the hub idea because because. And I was thinking about airline hubs and looking for a similar analogy to work with here because because.

The closest thing I could come up with that has users joining together for the porpoise of using the hub is the "gate" idea. And then I looked that up on wikipedia b/c/b/c. And I found "fortress hub":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_hub#Fortress_hub

... which sounds cool. Mostly because I want a hubski fortress.

So wait what? Groups? Yeah I suppose it would be a worthwhile thing but then who admins the groups?

by ecib 318 days ago  ·  link
I don't think we need a kinship or group system...I am more just imagining it, and what purpose it would serve specifically. It could be a totally lame idea :)
by khaaan 317 days ago  ·  link
I'am not sure i like the idea of closed groups I think it's a case of finding something different to whats already out there. Thats a real challenge a mobile app or a mobile site is defiantly something id like to see IE Baconreader or something of that quality


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