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PBS Lists top 10 buildings that changed America...



by milo 401 days ago  ·  link
I expected to see the Chrysler building.
by sounds_sound 401 days ago  ·  link
The Chrysler Building is in the AIA's 150. It's number 9 actually, which is a pretty big deal. Beautiful? Most definitely. But does it represent a paradigm shift in American architectural thought? That's debatable.
by thundara 400 days ago  ·  link
by sounds_sound 400 days ago  ·  link
DOH! fixed, and thanks :)
by mk 401 days ago  ·  link
The Southdale Center: 'changed' is definitely the word. That's what happens when people try to get too clever: a socially sterile consumer engagement environment. Did we have to go through that, I wonder?

Here's another building that 'changed' America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cherokee_Village_apts.JPG

by sounds_sound 401 days ago  ·  link
I would've liked to have posted this after seeing the actual PBS series because some of the buildings on the list could use a bit of an explanation as to why they were chosen. For me, I think that 'changed' is perhaps the perfect ambiguous word for the impact the Southdale Center has had on the U.S. Is it change for the better? Maybe not, but one cannot deny the fact that shopping centers have been paramount in shaping suburban landscapes.

The thing is, you've got to put yourself in 1950's shoes to try and understand what a promising typology the enclosed mall was. It was seen as another way to be liberated from the dirty and seedy downtown industrial center. It was a place to go to with the whole family, in the new car. What I'm wondering is - would the middle class in the United States have thrived so much if it weren't for the shopping center? I think the answer has to be no.

Btw, Victor Gruen was also the chief designer for post-war Detroit's four major suburban shopping centers: Eastland Center, Southland Center, Westland Center, and Northland Center. Another, albeit completely different, architectural legacy from Motown.

by mk 401 days ago  ·  link
I'd like to see that series. And I will concede that the Mall was a noble effort. But in solving a perceived problem, it created others.

IMO it was the car that powered the middle class, and the mall was probably an inevitability (a place we were going to pass through). I'd say that the sanitized community gathering place was an excuse for the parking lot, which was the real need. And I'd say that box stores are the proof of that; we didn't learn that malls weren't socially satisfying, we only learned that they weren't efficient enough. Now we have parking lots that surround warehouses.

by sounds_sound 401 days ago  ·  link
< in solving a perceived problem, it created others

I think the real test of the shopping center as an institution is just on the horizon. The question now, after shopping malls continue to go under, is what can they be turned into? What other new functions could they absorb to ensure their continued relevance in the next 100 years? And you're absolutely right about the car. That's the star of this story. But also know that shopping was a form of propaganda that the U.S. used to demonstrate to the rest of the world just how great our system was and how prosperous our citizens were. That's what the Kitchen Debates between Nixon and Khrushchev were all about.

by mk 401 days ago  ·  link
    The question now, after shopping malls continue to go under, is what can they be turned into?

Rubble, I hope. :) The fact that they are an island destination makes them very limited in terms of community functionality, IMO. In my childhood town, two malls were replaced. One became a box store grouping, the other became 'The Village', a faux mainstreet, surrounded by parking lot. The Village seems to do enough business, actually.

by sounds_sound 401 days ago  ·  link
I was thinking more along the lines of shopping center meets ice rink. You could play a quick two on two hockey in the food court and then do some shopping. All the clothing racks could be on skates and the clothes could come to you. But wait....how do you try on pants?.... Dammit!!! Clearly, I need to work out a few kinks :P
by b_b 401 days ago  ·  link
Highland Par plant? Really? The building is inconsequential to why and how Ford changed the world. Its just a building. And it isn't even the first place Model Ts were made, the Piquette Plant is. The moved to Highland Park, because they outgrew Piquette exactly because the building is meaningless; the process is what matters.
by sounds_sound 401 days ago  ·  link  
That's exactly why this building is on the list, because the process is what matters. But not only did the process inform the building as to what it wanted to be, the building most definitely allowed that process to happen, evolve, and ultimately become extremely refined. Highland park was the real testing ground that allowed the River Rouge plant to even be conceived. Forget about the model T, it's all about the assembly line and Highland Park is where that all really took shape. So while I wouldn't say 'It's just a building', I do suggest that it is a really dumb building, but that's kind of the genius of it. It was flexible and open and adaptable. It was like a lab where things could be discovered. Say you need an extra man on the line for whatever reason. Well, you would need to stretch out the existing line to make room for that and the building was designed to let that happen. Say a car part doesn't fit through the door, well you take a wall out, since the concrete skeletal frame and thin glass facade lets you do that - in a few hours. This building is the place where the Model T went from like 20 hours to make to less than 2 minutes to make and it's no question that the building played a major role in letting that happen. And check this out. When they even needed more space than anticipated, they built scaffolding onto the side, essentially extending the machine onto the street. It worked and it was beautiful.

You have to remember that we're talking about 1908 here. Nobody was thinking about buildings in this way before. In a way, the fact that you find this building meaningless is even more telling of its complete ubiquitous power. These types of buildings and their way of thinking about space totally revolutionized manufacturing throughout the world and it happened in the matter of a few decades, which is why it feels so normal, but at the time this was really new and groundbreaking shit. Even Corb's manifesto which says that "Architecture is a machine for living in" wasn't published until 15 years later. And Corb was in fact greatly influenced by what he saw during his visit to industrial America. Architecture was starting to empathize with and incorporate the car. For me, the real interesting thing that this building talks about is how our lives were starting to become compartmentalized. Now (in 1910), you would GO to work, and GO on vacation, and GO to grandma's house. Our lives were exceedingly being dictated by the clock and reduced to schedules. You can read this in the elevation of the building. It's a grid of repetitive rectangles all working together to create the mass of a whole building. I mean, is it just a coincidence that the elevation of the building, as wholly dictated by it's functionality, looks exactly like a calendar? This was also happening in painting at the time too, which of course was equally revolutionary. Cubism was partly about deconstructing the body into parts and reassembling them. It was about, for me, the beginning of the lack of cohesiveness in our daily lives. Highland Park is where all of this started.



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