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It’ll cost you - Scottish independence would come at a high price

IN 1698 the nobles and landowners of the Kingdom of Scotland tried to elevate their country to a world trading nation by colonising the isthmus of Panama. The Darien scheme failed and nearly bankrupted the country. Within a decade Scotland had signed an Act of Union with England to create the United Kingdom of Great Britain. Scots found it tough in the 18th century to be a small nation in a globalising world. But nationalists are an optimistic bunch, and they would dearly like to have another go...


by ou812dot 399 days ago  ·  link
What is Scotlands industry? What do the "make"?
by garyb 398 days ago  ·  link
Two obvious exports are scotch whisky and oil. It is also an energy rich country and thus has potential to export energy in future.
by ou812dot 396 days ago  ·  link
I hadn't realized they were an energy rich country. Thanks for the clarification.
by dublinben 399 days ago  ·  link
An independent Scotland doesn't make any sense, especially if they remain in the EU. Their primary trading partner will still be England, except now there will likely be a currency issue.
by garyb 398 days ago  ·  link
Has anybody ever argued in favour of independence on the basis of changing Scotland's primary trading partner?
by dublinben 398 days ago  ·  link
I doubt it, but changing the legal technicalities won't change the economic realities. Scotland will be England's Canada if they become legally independent. I don't understand what they would gain as an independent country.
by thenewgreen 398 days ago  ·  link
I don't get the Scotland will be Englands Canada line either? Elaborate please.
by dublinben 398 days ago  ·  link
Canada provides natural resources to the US (oil, lumber, etc.) and imports manufactured goods.

    In 2009 73% of Canada's exports went to the United States, and 63% of Canada's imports were from the United States.[34] Trade with Canada makes up 23% of the United States' exports and 17% of its imports.[35] By comparison, in 2005 this was more than U.S. trade with all countries in the European Union combined,[36] and well over twice U.S. trade with all the countries of Latin America combined.[37] Just the two-way trade that crosses the Ambassador Bridge between Michigan and Ontario equals all U.S. exports to Japan. Canada's importance to the United States is not just a border-state phenomenon: Canada is the leading export market for 35 of 50 U.S. states, and is the United States' largest foreign supplier of energy.

The economy of the smaller country (Canada) is much more dependent on the economy of the larger country (US) than vice versa. The US is significantly more powerful on the global political and economic stage than Canada. The same economic and political relationship will likely emerge with an independent Scotland. The northern country is heavily integrated with the globally significant southern country.

by garyb 398 days ago  ·  link
I see what you mean. I'm not sure how much of a problem that is though since both states will exist within the trade regulations of the European Union.

A more likely argument for independence is the different social agenda that the Scottish public appear to have. One example from post devolution Scotland is the provision of university education. English universities charge increasing fees to English students whereas Scottish students are educated for free in Scotland. There are many issues where Scotland wants to deviate from UK law and although it already has many powers to do so there are still powers that it does not have. Aside from a distinct social agenda and culture Scotland also has a distinct geography, population distribution and natural resources. I assume that nationalists have plans about how to provide legislation that is tailored to these differences rather than the whole of the UK.

For some time I have considered the economic arguments for and against independence to be red herring. If there is an argument for independence it is more likely to be a very simple one about autonomy. I don't support independence or argue in favour of it but I can see why some people would like it.

by thenewgreen 398 days ago  ·  link
Thanks for the response, it seems like a fair analogy to me. I have no experience with the Scottish economy so I appreciate the insight. It would seem a symbiotic relationship if the goods being imported to the US were of vital importance, otherwise I agree Canada would be the one dependent. But if the goods were vital to US interests you could flip that sentence to read The US is much more dependent on the goods from Canada than vice versa, which would put Canada in the position of power.
by garyb 398 days ago  ·  link
What does it mean to be "England's Canada"?
by dublinben 398 days ago  ·  link
See my reply to thenewgreen. I hope that explains what I meant.
by mk 400 days ago  ·  link
Almost everyone else would vote for independence if it brought in roughly enough money to buy a new iPad, and against it if not.

Somehow I doubt that's a fair read of the data.

I was not aware that this was a possibility. If they can be efficient enough to nurture the right industries, I don't see why it couldn't work out for them.

Apologies.

by garyb 399 days ago  ·  link
Freedom from what?


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