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scarp  ·  4466 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why 3D Printing will go the way of VR
So one guys says it's dead and that means it's definitively dead? C'mon. A lot of video games these days are pretty much VR lite. We're continually seeing developments in technology that bring the user deeper into the content. There's still a lot of interest in the concept.




kleinbl00  ·  4466 days ago  ·  link  ·  
On the consumer level, we've had:

- Waldoes since 1989

- Head-tracking since 2004 or so

- 3d displays since 2000

- haptic feedback since 2003

...yet nobody has rolled them all together because there's no interest and no application.

Cadillac started researching head-up displays for cars back in the mid '70s. Mercedes put one in an SLK back in '02. That's the last we saw of them - because it's just not something we need or use.

VR fails the "Milkshake Test:" http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2011/11/why_...

scarp  ·  4466 days ago  ·  link  ·  
There's a simpler explanation: no one's rolled them together because it's expensive and the current technology sucks. Second Life failed because it sucked. The Newton failed because it sucked. There's a pattern here: no one wants to buy shitty products. But that doesn't mean the concepts they're based on are inherently flawed.

There were other cars before the Model T and there were other smart phones before the iPhone. Technology takes a lot of stumbles before it reaches a marketable, consumable state. That can take decades or even centuries. Sometimes it just takes the right person or the right company to orchestrate it. We're not even close to being able to consider dismissing VR, or 3D printing, or artificial intelligence, or countless other technologies booed down by skeptics on the sidelines.

kleinbl00  ·  4466 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Okay, I'll play.

What does a "Second Life that doesn't suck" look like? What would have made it not suck?

What does a "Newton that doesn't suck" look like? What would have made it not suck?

I know of no example of the 2ndL but as far as a "newton that doesn't suck" it sure as hell wasn't the Palm Pilot. That sucker was virtually indistinguishable from the Newton and people adopted them like hotcakes. The Newton was simply too early.

Apple had a digital camera, too.

Again, for clarity: of the people in this discussion, I'll bet I'm the only one who has actually played with 3d printing. And I did it a long goddamn time ago. And the things that made it moderately compelling in 1998 are the things that make it moderately compelling in 2012... the only difference is that 14 years later, a whole bunch of people who don't understand it have it in their heads that it's cool because they saw a blog post about candyfab.

scarp  ·  4466 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Second Life --> World of Warcraft

Newton --> iPad

And you can't tell me those products aren't successful. But that's beside the point -- I'm not here to lay the blueprint for the Next Big Thing or argue the particulars of what might have been. My point is that you can't isolate a handful of failed executions of an idea and then conclude that the whole concept is doomed to obscurity or failure.

kleinbl00  ·  4466 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Second Life: 2003. World of Warcraft: 2001. Besides which, one was envisioned as a game, the other as a social platform. That's like saying a car is like a parade float that doesn't suck.

The Newton was never intended as anything but a business organizer. Comparing it to an iPad simply illustrates your ignorance of the platform.

MY point is that VR isn't "a handful" of failed executions of an idea. MY point is that a whole bunch of clever people have been devoting their lives to it for decades and its adoption is no higher now than it was when Reagan was president. Kind of how MY point is that 3d printing has been around for over 15 years and the reason it hasn't set the world afire is that nobody really wants it.

scarp  ·  4466 days ago  ·  link  ·  
It's the exact same technology in a different context with a different presentation and different goals -- or, in other words, a successful execution. That's precisely what I meant. You laugh, but your parade float example is actually apt: no one wants to drive a parade float. But put that same automotive technology in an easy to use and actually useful package and you've got a hit.