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Finland Derides Crisis as Excuse for Eroding Sovereignty
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markupby mk 488 days ago · linkUrpilainen has railed against German and French plans to do away with unanimous voting in the 17-nation euro region and says it’s wrong to repay Finland’s fiscal responsibility with a loss of sovereignty.And yet that's what the success of the Euro requires. So what they are going to do, is increase the power of the fiscally strong member states over the others. And those weaker member states are going to lose sovereignty at a faster rate, and continually get the shorter stick in every coming bargain. And that is not going to be sustainable.
by mk 488 days ago · linkClassic: "You're doing it wrong!"
by alpha0 488 days ago · linkThey knew precisely what they were doing. I guess it beats another European bloodbath.
by mk 488 days ago · linkI suppose so. I don't think I understand what in means to be European. Maybe my indoctrination of patriotism is deeper than I'd like to admit? Such a blatant assault on sovereignty would get me riled up. But then again, millions didn't kill each other over sovereignty here last century. Arguably that happened the century before, but I'm a yankee that doesn't buy that shit.
by alpha0 488 days ago · link2 words: Civil War.
edit: Ah. Should pay more attention. Yes, that is precisely what can be argued and it holds water for me.
by mk 488 days ago · linkUS? That's what I referred to. Or a European one to come?
by alpha0 488 days ago · linkYep, us, USA. (Just edited).
No crystal ball, but imho Europeans need to get their democracies back in working order. For one, that would put an end to pinning all the blame on the "American Empire". If this is an empire, it is the least self serving the world has even seen.
by mk 488 days ago · linkYes, strange Empire. But, this might be the Dickensian part.
As for the US Civil War. I agree that sovereignity was a component, but only because they wanted to exercise the right of a slave-based economy. It's always about the money. The issue in Europe is all about the money too. NAFTA had similar motivations.
I think instead of 'free market' and 'free trade' we should say unhindered or disregulated. There are probably real consequences that stem from using 'free' that way.
The South wanted the freedom to practice slavery. :/
by alpha0 488 days ago · linkIt is almost always about money.
The right to secede was theirs, wasn't it? If yes, the why was their business, legally speaking, and a red herring.
"My paramount object in the struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery. … If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that." - Abraham Lincoln
(What "free"/"unregulated" market? US? You must be kidding me, mk!)
by mk 488 days ago · linkRE: Abe; Abe was a politician. He came into office with a clear anti-slavery agenda as well as a federal one. The heads of the southern economy knew what his election meant, and they seceded. Yes, it was the South's right to secede, and Abe would clearly be a tyrant if his efforts didn't bring freedom to so many, but the reason why the South seceded was first and foremost to preserve their economic model. The fact that they had a political model to defend gave them some sense of justice. The states that seceded first were the cotton states.
(What "free"/"unregulated" market? US? You must be kidding me, mk!)
Oh God no, I don't believe it for a second! That's my point. If the language of NAFTA weren't a "free trade zone" and was instead a "disregulated trade zone", the discussion might be a bit closer to the truth. Of course, maybe "disregulated" isn't even the best term. Maybe "regulated around different priorities".
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