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forthewar  ·  3990 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: George W. Bush is smarter than you | Keith Hennessey

I get what you're saying, just it doesn't matter in the context of this discussion.

This article itself does not win/lose any debate about the merits of the Bush presidency, because it simply doesn't engage that debate at all. It does however, dispel the notion of Bush being unintelligent, which is an issue entirely separate from success/failure of the presidency. I have no idea why you are conflating the two. It's a non-sequitur. Like someone writing about the great Vitamin A content of potatoes and you talking about how monoculture of potatoes led to Great Irish Famine. About the same general topic, but you're railing against something that isn't the point.

Basically, my point is, I have no idea why you're upset this essay didn't to respond points it wasn't even attempting to respond to in the first place. Thesis of the essay: Bush is smart. I'd say they proved that. Why are you looking for something else?





b_b  ·  3990 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think the JTHipster's point is the same basic one I made below, the Forrest Gump point: stupid is as stupid does. Basically, all the analytic skills in the world amount to shit if you don't know how to use them.

forthewar  ·  3989 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I understand. I completely understand you consider intelligence irrelevant when compared to results. But how does that relate to someone attempting to simply explain Bush is intelligent to people who doubt otherwise?

JTHipster  ·  3989 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I just don't think that's a necessary explanation.

When people say that Obama is a stupid because he's black, and yes I've heard this, I don't acknowledge the argument. It is literally ad hominem. Same with Bush.

Its not like the people who earnestly believe that Bush is a dumbass are going to change their mind, nor will the article change any minds about his presidency. Its just the process of stepping up and countering an argument that no student who has ever taken a debate course should use. If you heard the argument of "well Bush is stupid" in a college class, the first thing out of the professor's mouth should be something akin to a small object flying at the student's head for arguing from a logical fallacy before the fight really even began.

In terms of why I'm spending so much of my words on my distaste for his time in office, its because I think that's the point of the objections rather than just defending his intellect. Also because then I could write something rather than just say that I agree. I agree with the basic premise; George W. Bush was smart. That is a very boring post to read.

I'm losing track of my thoughts I think I'm going to try and sleep now.