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user-inactivated  ·  4253 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What I've been learning.

Sounds like the lessons you're learning are all of the toughest ones, and all at once. Given the situation, one lesson you might be in danger of overlooking is that so many things in life are transitory, and that the presence of so many stressors doesn't necessarily equate the complete absence of good. Just means you have to dig a little more to find it.

Don't know if you're looking for advice or just support. If support, then this is as good a community as any to find it. Might take the form of digital high fives or feedback on your blog/music or just continued interaction on any number of issues. On that note, high fives, man! I know there are plenty of people around here who really enjoy reading your work/thoughts. So I guess that's a form of friendship, if not a more ephemeral one than we generally hope for.

If you're looking for advice, that's great! Because I'm gonna be presumptive and offer advice anyways- that's what I'm good at (that is, the unwarranted OFFERING of advice, I can't speak to the quality of advice offered).

It sounds pithy, but don't underestimate the power of exercise. Studies have shown a pretty conclusive link between increased exercise and lowered symptoms of depression. I am not a sporty person, but I got into the habit of going to the gym and running/lifting whatever weights my scrawny frame will allow, and I gotta say, it just puts you in a better overall mind-state. I don't know if it's the release of endorphins or the directed routine or sustained activity that forces you out of the funk of inaction. But it helps.

Correspond with what close friends you do have. Chances are, if your friends are spread far and wide in a new situation, they're feeling much of the same, and everybody can commiserate. Sometimes just relating makes you feel better, you know?

Keep creating. On one hand, that's another form of activity, and again, activity tends to be the bane of depression/loneliness. And on the other hand- I don't know about you, but I find that I'm way more creative/productive when I'm in a foul mood. Don't know what that's about, but a good ol' case of the doldrums always seems to be fantastic creative fodder.

I have more, but you didn't ask and I'm supposed to be working right now. Bottom line: sorry you're in a tough space. Hope you pull through it alright, and I hope we in this community can provide some sort of needed cultural/academic/social outlet.





ButterflyEffect  ·  4253 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Advice would be just fine with me. Exercise is good, haven't the money for a gym membership yet and the weather's been awful. You can only do so much core stuff in your living room before you get tired of it.

Literally every person I've talked to is in a better position than I am. Aka they aren't being forced to do clerical work on a daily basis and waste their life. I emailed my adviser to see if I would even get credit for this, and she told me to try and make the best of the experience and to try to learn skills from it. There's literally nothing of that sort with what I'm currently doing. If there was any way of this that wouldn't get me in trouble with my university I would be biting at the first chance out.

It's not even creativity. One is a music project and the other two are more work (a music blog and starting a record label with my roommates).

Maybe I'll just go become an alcoholic like my dad was.

humanodon  ·  4253 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hey now, a lot of alcoholics I know are very active and even proactive. That said, I come from an area with a high number of high-functioning alcoholics, though if 5 drinks a day is now considered binge drinking, then it's tough not to be an "alcoholic." Jokes aside, exercise is indeed a great thing to do. The thing about body weight exercise is that it's very adaptable, it's not just push-ups, pull-ups, jumping-jacks and other hyphenated words. Yoga is one. You mentioned you had a girlfriend. What if that was something you guys did together over Skype or whatever? It'd be good for a couple laughs anyway.

A lot of people sit around and wish they had a more adventurous life, not realizing that the key to having adventures is going out and having them. One thing I like doing when I move to a new place is making the conscious effort to do something new every day. It doesn't have to be anything big, just something as simple as, "I'll try taking this road instead of that road." I once did that and ended up getting lost in a market, where some lady gave me directions to where I thought I should be and then gave me a bunch of fruit to give to the monkeys. In another city I decided to walk home to my new apartment. On the way I discovered about 7 bars that I didn't know existed and found out that my apartment was about 10 miles away from where I worked (I had no idea, I always took the train).

My point is, make work the least significant portion of your life if you can, while of course doing a good job and looking for other jobs. I'm in a shitty financial situation myself at the moment and still looking for a new job, but I think this is a good time to work on stuff I've always been interested in, which I might also be able to use professionally in the future.

Approach life with a hard-on. It's much more interesting that way.

ButterflyEffect  ·  4252 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"Approach life with a hard-on. It's much more interesting that way." Hey mk, feel like putting this quote on the next batch of Hubski stickers?

10 miles and you're already well out of the city here, but I get what you're saying. I walk to and from work everyday, it saves money on gas and isn't that far. Plus you have to pay for parking. As for exploring, there's really not that much to it, I've already walked this entire downtown area that's worth walking around (aka not dangerous).

Mind if I ask what you're working on/planning on working on? P.S. I hope your financial situation improves and that you find something worth working!

humanodon  ·  4252 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sure. One of the things I'm doing is working to expand my general knowledge of other countries, world politics and the U.S. constitution to prepare for the Foreign Service Officer exam. The process of becoming an FSO is fairly convoluted and takes a lot of time, so it's really a back burner plan. Plus, it gives me an opportunity to learn more about countries I might like to teach in. Jumping off of that, I've been considering other plans of what to do in the meantime. I think NGO work might be a good stepping stone, so I've been writing to friends who work for or have worked for NGOs in the past to get an idea of what to look for in a quality experience. I've also been in touch with a family friend who is trying to put me in touch with his clients who have NGO experience and even some people involved with the UN.

I've also been working on getting back into poetry. You might have seen some scribbles and first-draft kind of stuff I've put up here, but I'd like to get back to a place where I feel like the writing is publishable and maybe even worth performing. One of the friends I wrote to is has been more faithful to poetry than I have and now we're discussing a collaborative project. With another friend, I've been tinkering with the idea of recording some of my older poems and I've been thinking about maybe getting a website together, so I've been learning a little bit about that.

I feel like it's important to stretch myself out in a bunch of directions and to go with what sticks, while always trying out new things and finding ways to leverage them into other possibilities. It's no fun being painted into a corner, but when that happens I guess it doesn't hurt to try walking on the ceiling, you know?

Thanks for the well-wishes. I hope something takes a turn for the better on your end as well.

user-inactivated  ·  4252 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I was gonna be all smart and link you to a community center in Eerie with free rec facilities... but Google pulled up a fat stack of nothin'. You're not kidding, that town seems... sleepy. Does look like there's a YMCA over there, though, and they usually have a sliding scale tuition system to meet the needs of people who can't throw down the full amount.

Humanadon's Skype idea is pretty great, though. Neat workaround, and come to think of it, Skype yoga with your girlfriend could lead to all sorts of other... recreational... activity. Herm.

So if you're still in contact with your adviser, are you still getting through your undergrad/grad stuff? Is that why you're stuck in Eerie? Or are you just out of university? If so, is there any way in hell to get out of dodge? Two thoughts: if you're still in school, maybe there are some in-house resources to draw on re. community involvement, peer-to-peer engagement, etc.? And if you're just out of school... that might be the crappiest time of life, give or take early high school, which I think we can all agree is an A-1 trainwreck for all involved. But post-school dog-paddling takes a close second. Not experienced enough to pull a high-level job, but feeling the bite of loans just acutely enough to wonder what the hell you paid all that money for. Then there's the transition from the structure of school to the chaos of life as a big kid. And the switch from being surrounded by friends and like-minded individuals to just living in any old goddamn place with a more random sample of the population.

To be perfectly honest, it's entirely possible to feel like you're in freefall way past that point- I'm walking towards my 30's and I'm just starting to feel like my shit's halfway together. A lot of my friends are in the same boat, and- here's a morbidly uplifting tidbit for you- I was sure they were all doing way better than me until recently when we all compared drunken notes (in vino veritas and all that) and realized we all still felt like we were just barely edging on some semblance of conventional success.

Seems like maybe the trick to this portion of life, as redundant as it sounds coming on the tail of your adviser's and humanadon's recommendations, is to approach it all with kind of a sense of nihilistic glee. And, to crib off of the 'Don (mind if I call you that, 'Don? Yes? Too bad, I feel it sticking already) one more time, don't pin too much of your self worth onto your very early career. Or hell, on any part of your career. This idea that a person is only as good as their job seems absurd, and maybe a very specific symptom of our particular society. As good as the sum of your experiences? At least that allows you to take a proactive role in shaping your self-worth. As good as your output? Closer, maybe, but that ought to include all of your extracurricular outputs as well, then. Such as, say, your music project, which it seems kind of odd to qualify as "not even creativity." And your blog, which is definitely a form of creativity, and more productive than you might think. Case in point, I recently applied to a blogging position at my radio station, but probably won't get it because... I've never written for a blog. At this point, you are more qualified for that job than I am. So: feel free to be as good as your output, and then make sure you're putting out a lot of stuff, and it may even end up opening unexpected doors. Or measure your worth by the number of people who you affect on a daily basis. Or don't bother to measure the worth of your life at all, as trying to paint an accurate and objective picture of yourself while you're in the soup is a fool's errand. The way you measure yourself and the way others measure you are two dramatically different beasts.

Bottom line, and I could have said this in a few hundred less words: as hard as it seems, don't take your present condition too seriously. You're clearly smart, presumably well educated, eventually well-trained, and only temporarily chained to your current locale. Try to enjoy whatever glimmer of it you can, or at least the absurdity of the situation.

Other, more practical ideas:

-Make a list of books to read in your spare time. Alternate genres you like with stuff you wouldn't consider but have it on good faith is good. Throw in some really heavy stuff too, to get your gears working.

-Start or join a board game club. Did this when we moved to our current city. Everybody in the club was pretty awkward, but board games allow you to overcome those social quirks that otherwise plague you, and they allow you to forget the outside world for a while, too.

-Journal. I'm not kidding.

Anyhow, like I said before, you're well liked around here, so if all else fails, interact with Hubski/other social sites and live on the internet a little bit. Who needs a cultural center when you've got a cultural gestalt at your fingertips?

ButterflyEffect  ·  4252 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm going to reply to this bit by bit since there's a lot to it. I've said it before to people in this thread, but thank you for caring, even just a little bit. It means a lot to me, stranger from the internet.

I'm not exaggerating all that much, unfortunately. There's a Planet Fitness that I actually just found, probably going to go that route for the $10/month plus driving ten minutes to get there. The YMCA looks pretty nice, but it's probably more expensive.

That's something we've talked about before (we went through a long-distance period last summer too), but she's not very comfortable that sort of stuff, so it rarely happens. That's not too much of a bother though, I respect it.

I'm still in Undergraduate school, once you sign up for a job like I have, the school pretty much refuses to let you out of it unless you have very, very extreme circumstances that prevent you from fulfilling it. They're very big on that, and will make your hell if you renege on the job. And what you were just describing, that actually sounds worse than anything else...

It's funny, I have some friends who graduated last year and have said pretty much exactly what you have with regards to the drunken notes section there. It seems to be almost universal, it's scary that it takes that long to start to see a payoff.

I like that name, Don, so we'll stick with that. I'll have to come up with something for you! It's...well I guess that part is just who I've always been. I used to be a very good bowler (bowled on a top-10 ranked team in the country Freshman year of college), but eventually you can only take so much of the attitude displayed with that "not even creativity" quote. One of these days I'll stop trying to make myself the absolute best I can be at certain things, and drop that whole not good enough attitude. If you don't get the job at the radio station, screw it, start up something yourself! Then it will be entirely on your terms and you can really take it wherever you want it to go. "Absurdity of the Situation" ... have you been reading Camus lately?

-I've been reading The Hound of the Baskervilles during Lunch break at work, I recently finished Winston Churchill: We Will All Go Down Fighting to the End. Already implemented that idea, though it's kind of scary that you came up with exactly what I'm doing...

-Board Game Club...I'm sure there's 3 or 4 other people in this whole "city" that enjoy Catan or something. I'm actually considering joining a bowling league. Don't know if I can bring myself to do it though, there's something about not doing at a highly competitive level that takes away from the fun...a lot.

-I love reading stuff on Hubski (and certain Reddit subreddits), I'll probably keep at the level I'm at, few shares and a post every day, comments fluctuate depending on the day.

Thank you very much for your input fuffle, it really has helped calm my nerves, at least for the time being, and I mean that.

user-inactivated  ·  4252 days ago  ·  link  ·  

1) No, no, no! Humanadon is clearly "The 'Don" whether he likes it or not. You're gonna be "Supafly." Nothing better than assigning nicknames to names that are already nicknames.

2) Why would a school have such stringent work policies? Does it have to do with tuition payment, or are they just trying to work their numbers to make themselves look more effective in the realm of career placement? Either way, that sucks, man. But all the more reason not to worry- it's a finite situation.

3) The Hound of the Baskervilles is good. You should check out the whole series of Holmes stories. They're good escapism, and full of character. If you liked the Winston Churchill jam, you should check out Team of Rivals if you haven't already. About Lincoln, very well written. And speaking of bowling, This book seems to have been made for you. Really captivating read, too. Jealous that you were that strong at bowling. I always really enjoyed it but completely sucked at it. Still do.

Anyhow, hang in there, and no need to thank me for blowing smoke. It's what this place is all about.

ButterflyEffect  ·  4252 days ago  ·  link  ·  

1) Well...fine! I do kind of like Supafly... 2) It's mostly the later, and it does seem to have with post-graduation job placement. For engineering majors it's something like 95+% job placement, which is hard to argue with. 3) I'm thinking about buying them after this. There's a bookstore that sells a bunch of classic novels for $3 each, so I'm probably going to see if they have anymore Sherlock Holmes novels. I already own Team of Rivals, haven't been able to dig too deep into it yet though. I don't like the title having such a negative connotation (based on that background), I've bowled alone countless times. It's one of the only good ways to work on your mechanics and improve them.