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comment by thenewgreen

I'm not sure how I feel about Abrams. I hope that he is able to ad some grit to the films, perhaps make them a bit darker and less one dimensional. Joss Whedon would have been awesome in this regard. Space shouldn't be all bright and shiny all the time.





dunkellic  ·  4080 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, he did the exact opposite to Star Trek, then again both franchises have different vantage-points. I wonder what he is going to do with Star Wars. Trek was a complete reboot and pretty much kicked the established lore in the ass (I personally think it was an entertaining popcorn movie, but the setting was hardly Star Trek, it really was quite interchangeable..). But the franchise was basically dead at that point and it didn't go peacefully with Nemesis as the last movie.

But Star Wars? There's no need for a reboot - in my opinion at least, yet there's no obvious starting-point for a story to tell. True, the lat three movies weren't really critically acclaimed, but Star Wars is far from the shape Trek was in during Nemesis. There are a lot of stories that could be turned to films, the whole extended universe thing and the comic book series, which feature a few rather gritty plots (beloved characters die, Luke turning to the dark side, etc...).

thenewgreen  ·  4080 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    But Star Wars? There's no need for a reboot
That depends on what your definitions for success are. If you define it as making money and generating interest, then you are right, there is no need for a re-boot. If you define it as making good films that could stand the test of time, then I think they should take the boot and re it.
b_b  ·  4080 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If his Star Wars is as forgettable as his Trek was, God help us all.

thenewgreen  ·  4080 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, it wasn't bad but it wasn't great either. It was entertaining but not memorable. It was popcorn. I want Star Wars to have more substance, like what Christopher Nolan did for the Batman franchise. Give it some substance, some grit. Let the heroes be fallible and potentially tragically flawed. I don't see this as a direction Abrams would go in. Could be bad.

sphericalvoxel  ·  4080 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    perhaps make them a bit darker and less one dimensional.

    Give it some substance, some grit.

I think "darker and grittier" is usually the opposite of substance, or rather, I think there's a tendency for writers and the like to think that darker and grittier means more substantial.

But dark and gritty is an aesthetic, and nothing more.

Like Dragon Age, the series that thinks blood and sex make a story mature, or, for that matter, the Nolan Batman movies, which sidestep the question of how to make a convincing villain by instead telling us that some men want to watch the world burn.

No, I think in practice adding darkness to Star Wars, a franchise that's already truly awful, would just turn it into the middle schooler that takes up smoking cigarettes to appear cultured.

thenewgreen  ·  4080 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    But dark and gritty is an aesthetic, and nothing more.
Dialog, plot lines and character development can all be dark and gritty. It's not just an aesthetic.
StephenBuckley  ·  4080 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Wow, they should have gotten Nolan. I don't even like Star Wars and I would preorder tickets to that. Can you imagine?

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thenewgreen  ·  4080 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    "You've given these Ewoks everything!" "Not everything. Not yet."
-I love it, that is a scene I could heartedly endorse.