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kleinbl00  ·  475 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: December 7, 2022

I mean, dude. The slogan of the United States Marine Corps is "God, corps, country." Does that... disqualify Marines?

Without dragging penises into it (really?), the first amendment guarantees that if you wanna stand there and insist I worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the only thing I can do is walk away. I endorse that, 100%. If the Bible Belt wants to elect god-fearin' men to office, that's who they should vote for, and that perspective should absolutely 100% inform what their representatives seek in office.

I think what you're getting hung up on is the idea that men of the cloth must, at all times, 100%, put the interests of their religion ahead of all other considerations, and the idea that those religions are 100% of the time focused on goals and achievements that are detrimental to the country. And I don't know where you're getting that from.

Religion has been used as a justification for some truly heinous behavior. But it doesn't have to be. There are plenty of people in this country who derive a great deal of comfort in membership of something larger than themselves that serves as a framework to guide them to a more moral and spiritual existence. I'm not one of them? But I'll take Raphael Warnock over Raphael Cruz any day of the week.





goobster  ·  472 days ago  ·  link  ·  

... which is exactly why I say the RELIGIOUS are absolutely worthy of public office; those perspectives need to be represented to ensure a representative democracy.

It's when someone makes the PROMOTION of their religion over all others - aka, priests and their ilk - that the problem emerges, because they now have taken two conflicting vows: to represent everyone regardless of their faith, and to convert everyone to their faith.

I mean, dude literally signed on the dotted line that says, "thou shall have no god before me", and then ran for fucking public office for communities of Hindus, and Muslims, and Atheists, and ... everyone else.

How does an elected official properly represent communities they literally believe are inferior to them, due to their belief system?

Having religious beliefs is fine, and expected for the majority of the population.

A tiny minority of the religious, however, believe their role is to convert the "heathens" and help them see the light, and those people pledge a vow to bring those heathens "into the fold" and then... run for public elected office?

That's a problem - an absolute conflict of interest - plain and simple. He's lying to someone: god or his electorate.

kleinbl00  ·  472 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You're presuming, with no evidence to back it up, that:

1) All religious officials must choose between their religion and their country in all things

2) All public service is a zero-sum game between competing tribes

3) No one who makes a pledge to one entity can serve another entity

Why? Why are you doing that?

For starters, run your position through the First Amendment and tell me where you land. Then take a brief tour through Article 6. Finally, show me the budding theocracy.

    How does an elected official properly represent communities they literally believe are inferior to them, due to their belief system?

Just, for shits'n'giggles.

- Galatians 3.28

- Romans 2.11

- Proverbs 22.2

- John 13.16

- Romans 10.12

- Mark 12.31

- Colossians 3.11

- James 2.1-13

I want you to note that I, an atheist, son of a devout atheist, is sitting here throwing scripture at you. And I'm doing it because you know better. "You can't run for office because you work for God" is USSR shit. Cut it out.

goobster  ·  472 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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