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am_Unition  ·  1201 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Video shows fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt in the Capitol

That's part of it, but dude, I told my parents on Christmas how it'd go down on the 6th. It was obvious to anyone reading Trump's Twitter and other absurdly prominent social media postings.

So I'm either a better sauce of intel than the most powerful nations' intel community, or there was some shit goin' on behind the scenes involving intentional disregard of a very real and likely threat to the US congress, from the top down. In a shit-goin'-on-behind-scenes administration, yeah. And no, I'm not comparable to the entire US IC (what a terribly unnecessary sentence).

Honestly, though, Trump blew it when he failed to use the very protests he incited as an excuse to declare martial law. He might have tried, though, and we just haven't heard about it yet. I'd give 70/30 odds for/against, but wager nothing. Eh, approaching this like a betting game isn't for me.





kleinbl00  ·  1200 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I doubt I've seen different stuff than you have. If anything I think I can say that generationally, I expect less fuckupitude from my government. Those expectations have most assuredly been let down but speaking for my fellow olds, allow me to point out that crazy-ass hyperbole has been common while legitimate rebellion and coups are new. I mean, fuckn' "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within United States." We made a big goddamn deal about that and it wasn't supposed to happen again yet here we are.

am_Unition  ·  1200 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Who could have known?!?

    crazy-ass hyperbole has been common while legitimate rebellion and coups are new

I guess all it took was for one showboat with a Twitter to come along and normalize the hyberbole. Obviously, there's more to it than that, but Trump allowed his followers to embrace their worst selves, and then cashed in on it with remarkable effectiveness.

You're not gonna get too much out of this, except for maybe appreciating the effective prose and presentation, but Timothy Snyder's essay on the situation should be required reading for people still in the dark.

kleinbl00  ·  1200 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Naah Tim Snyder is a tedious fuck. Read any? Here lemme give you the capsule on Black Earth:

    Germans were told they could help take the Jews' stuff or join them in the ghettos. Poles were told they could murder the jews and take their shit or get in the firing squad with them. This is exactly the situation we in America face today.

Snyder points out that tribalism led to the Holocaust but then pretty much completely ignores what makes a tribe. Judt pointed out that Europe has always persecuted Jews and that postwar Europe blamed Germany for the Holocaust while also keeping all the spoils they took from the Jews, even in supposedly "friendly" countries like Belgium and the Netherlands. Snyder basically says "look one group can hate another group enough to exterminate them therefore any group can hate any other group enough to exterminate them" and here he doesn't even bother with groups. He doesn't talk about what formed the group that wants to overthrow the election, he doesn't talk about how an incoherent message has led to an incoherent attack, he doesn't talk about how most of these people have been radicalized in less than four years, and he leans into the idea that his familiarity with Hannah Arendt means he's an expert on QAnon and it's fucking tedious.

OftenBen  ·  1201 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You and I both understand the subtext in the language used by these people.

They can't say "Go be violent hillbillies."

They can say "Get wild, gonna be wild etc"

am_Unition  ·  1200 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"Trial by combat"

"We cannot be weak, we must be strong"

"The radical, left-wing socialists who hate your freedoms"

Are Mo Brooks, Trump, Giuliani, Don Jr., etc. legally culpable? I'm worried the answer is, technically, no. If one of the only other ways of dealing with this is social castigation/estrangement from fellow republicans? That's not exactly happening fast enough for me to feel comfortable with things.

Lindsey Graham was on Hannity on Friday night raising questions about Hunter Biden. Like that's what we should focus on right now? Go fuck yourself, Lindsey.

OftenBen  ·  1200 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Impeachment, disbarment, state and where appropriate federal level charges for the obvious crimes would be a good start.