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"56 percent said they would be less likely to vote for Mr. Trump if his justice would help overturn Roe v. Wade, while just 24 percent said they would be more inclined to vote for him."

That is a scientific poll of changing opinion and what, specifically, would change that opinion. 950 likely voters, Sept 22-24 phone poll.





OftenBen  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Poll data last time said he would lose.

Pardon me for not jumping for joy.

kleinbl00  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Move them goalposts!

You know why you're always mad? Because you ignore all evidence that doesn't make you mad. The simple argument here is that more than half of voters polled said their mind would change. Doesn't mean Trump loses, doesn't mean Bernie gets his sainthood, means that there is statistical evidence that minds can change vis a vis Trump.

Only thing we're talking about here, buddy.

You can absolutely say "everything here is shit" but when I say "technically that's a dandelion growing over there" you're wrong. Simply.

OftenBen  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Goalpost hasn't moved.

I don't believe polling data represents how people vote. I believe a Trumpster is perfectly happy to lie to your face about who they support.

kleinbl00  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah dude, it has. You went from "Nobody has an opinion on the man that is capable of changing" to "Poll data last time said he would lose" and now we're at "I don't believe in polls" to "I believe a Trumpster is perfectly happy to lie to your face about who they support" despite the fact that "shy Trump voters" are such a tired saw that there are several hits a week going back two months.

In three statements you have gone from "nobody has an opinion capable of changing" to there is no evidence you can show me that indicates Trump voters don't lie about everything to everyone.

OftenBen  ·  1275 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Whatever you say chief.

The world is as KB sees it and naught else.

b_b  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not even gonna link here, but Douthat had the audacity to call Barret a new kind of feminist

OftenBen  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Conservatives have learned that the label of 'feminist' doesn't have a hard and fast definition so they get to apply to any and every woman with a conservative viewpoint and any argument against them is sexist because this time it's a woman taking away peoples healthcare.

b_b  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Remember when Ivanka's signature issue was free child care? So feminist.

OftenBen  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not in the slightest.

Coulda been last week or 4 years ago.

kleinbl00  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

On a hunch I typed "Ross Douthat" "Phyllis Schlafly" into Google to see if he described Good Ol' Phyllis as a feminist. Yep. In that very article.

Phyllis Schlafly described herself as an anti-feminist.

b_b  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The logic contortions that go into stating, without irony, that "feminists" like Barrett recognize that they wouldn't be able to hold the jobs they hold without the women's movement, but they nonetheless reject all of its central tenets, would make the cast of Cirque du Soleil wince.

kleinbl00  ·  1277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can walk you through it.

"Fairness" is a big conservative principle. If anything, I would say that conservatives lean into fairness as hard as liberals lean into empathy. So whatever bleeding hard liberal bullshit free government healthcare saves Mitch McConnell, it's only "fair" that they use it since it's available to everyone. If they take it away, that too is "fair" because there's nothing preventing anyone from using the same perks and advantages they have. And in general, Republicans got to where they are by working hard, so it's only fair that they reap the benefits. If someone else worked harder but didn't make it quite as far, well, that's as fair as it can be because as we all know, life isn't fair so we better make sure we all get our fair shake - I mean, the Emancipation Proclamation made it so that all men are created equal and if white men get further than white women, it's because on a level playing field they just do better.

I mean, you wouldn't really have Amy Coney Barrett turn down the advantages that are availble to people like Alexandra Ocasio Cortez, would you? And look - she made it all the way to the House of Representatives! Clearly the system is working for everyone. The fact that Herman Cain was a successful black conservative entrepreneur is proof positive that anyone black can be a successful conservative entrepreneur, the fact that he's the only one has a lot more to do with how traditionally lazy black men are than any systemic problems of equity.

It's that easy.