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uhsguy  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Suspect Charged With Murder After 2 Shot Dead At Kenosha Protest

I’m not sure what those folks were thinking when they attacked a dude with a gun and didn’t disarm him. As much as you disagree with the gun dude he might not even get prosecuted or get hit with minor charges because he was attacked, acting in self defense and really had no ability to retreat once knocked down. Laws are gonna be in the shooters favor here.





kleinbl00  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Within the space of 30 seconds he is shown gripping a weapon threateningly when confronting an unarmed mob and then walking calmly with his hands up as soon as the cops show up. More importantly, by the time he opened fire on the people who had him on the ground he had already shot at protesters.

You don't get to say "I was defending myself" if you're selectively defending yourself against reprisal for your own deadly acts.

tacocat  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

He's a 17 year old who crossed state lines to defend buildings with a semi automatic weapon. I have no doubt he wasn't just minding his own business trying to keep people from attacking a grocery store

uhsguy  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is he a dumass, no doubt young and stupid with a gun. But pretty much every one in that video is a dumbass so yeah. That won’t really change If he goes to jail or not though.

oyster  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A 17 year old who goes out of his way to bring a gun to an event where he fully intends to use it doesn’t belong in society and should be locked up. Mad school shooter vibes going on here. We act like other people are asking for it by just existing while this white kid crossed state lines, put himself in this situation and your dumb country still calls this self defence ?

This town didn’t mean anything to this kid, why the hell does a 17 year old in another state care about a grocery store here ? Because shooting up schools is too predictable for these white boys nowadays.

tacocat  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Both sidesing this is murder apologia.

oyster  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Like fuck. Then you read that they suspected him of already firing and I’m reminded of every other American shooting where people were such hero’s for trying to go after the gunman. But these people “attacked” an active shooter ? Are you fucking kidding me ? Oh it wasn’t him shooting ? He was just with that group ? Kind of like how he shot into a group of people and could have easily hit people who weren’t posing any threat to him ? The people this guy just disregarded as dumbasses and tossed aside like trash. I don’t even agree with the pointlessness of the prison system but damn lock this one up.

tacocat  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm pretty sure I'm on your side and I maybe wasn't clear

oyster  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ya dude I’m ranting.

kleinbl00  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  
uhsguy  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That’s kind of my point, there have been a number of similar cases over the years and they often end in hung juryies or conviction on lesser offenses.

kleinbl00  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They went after Goetz on different charges, though, and it stuck. If that's the point you're trying to make, you're making it badly.

uhsguy  ·  1330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That’s exactly what I think will happen here. Some lesser criminal charges will stick and civil charges but probably not murder or manslaughter unless he’s got some crazy qnon blog going as well