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uhsguy  ·  1397 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: John Berger: The Nature of Mass Demonstrations

Here in Seattle these protests are just seem to be a the highest form of virtue signaling. Most people protesting in Seattle don’t want a revolution or really any actionable change. If they wanted that they would just put up a ballot initiative that forbids any state or local government authority from negotiation or any contracts with police unions. That would easily get a large set of the issues solved and allow for future resolution of some of the other issues. But I don’t see any real legislative action happening.





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ilex  ·  1396 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I mean, the CHAZ seems to be a pretty clear example that the protests are, in fact, a surprisingly successful rehearsal of a revolution. Sure, not everyone wants it, but the point of the demonstration is to show people what is possible in a very non-theoretical way. Given the proliferation of other autonomous zones in other cities, it seems that people are learning from Seattle's demonstrations.

In quite a few cities, electoralism has failed to control the police: many of these demonstrations are being held in cities with Democratic leadership and the police have universally stepped up the brutality in response and defied or used loopholes in rules and laws meant to restrain them. It's perhaps understandable that demonstrators aren't excited about more of the same approach. A ballot initiative that passes is only as effective as the people implementing it, and politicians seem wishy-washy on the whole defund/abolish point still.

See also this reading on legibility which is a salient issue at this point. Black people in particular have been denied state legibility systematically; describing their needs in language the state understands is thus a challenge.

A friend looked into recalling the Seattle mayor by ballot and found that it'd be a pretty difficult process, especially given social distancing right now. Not sure how similar that is to getting a ballot initiative, though.

b_b  ·  1396 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    ...the police have universally stepped up the brutality in response...

I saw in the news today a former Marine who was deployed to L.A. after the Rodney King riots talking about how his "heavily armored" Marine unit would have gotten wasted by today's police, if the level of armament is any indication.

uhsguy  ·  1396 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The recall elections and referendums are not simple. It requires a real effort to get this stuff done I think 256k signatures + buffer for challenges and you can bet whoever works the effort will be beaten arrested and otherwise harassed but that’s what it takes to get real change.