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veen  ·  35 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Tom Cotton’s Fascist Op-Ed

Saw some internal slack message that said his op-ed caused the biggest peak in unsubscribes per hour.

The NYT has become increasingly insufferable, or I’m just increasingly aware of their inability to stick to whatever their core values might be. If this is anything to go by, I doubt they’ll change anytime soon.

bfv  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·  

People are getting impatient with the old school "one side thinks this, the other side thinks that, and we'll give equal weight to both" idea of journalistic objectivity, because the right takes advantage to make ideas that should obviously be unacceptable look acceptable. The NYT isn't becoming more insufferable because it changed, it's becoming more insufferable because it needs to and hasn't.

goobster  ·  32 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's an excellent point, well stated:

    "The NYT isn't becoming more insufferable because it changed, it's becoming more insufferable because it needs to and hasn't."
kleinbl00  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They pulled the unsubscribe pathway off their website and their phones went to voicemail.

I deleted the app yesterday. Stopped giving them money a year ago. Someone on Twitter pointed out that it's an organization filled with hardworking rockstars whose every efforts are undercut by a handful of feckless morons who happen to be in charge.

b_b  ·  35 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I mean, it's not like this is new. Our hackles are just up right now.

cgod  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·  

For real, lets not pretend that this kind of thing doesn't happen on the NYT editorial page. Some fucked up shit gets printed, sometimes in the editorial page, sometimes in the paper proper. A few weeks ago an article about the problems being experienced by Saudi Arabia took fifty seven paragraphs or something to mention the fact that they've killed a quarter of a million Yemenis in the past few years. There is also some really great reporting.

People who are absolutely shocked at this can go fuck themselves, they apparently just found moral fortitude and a spine for the first time this week. Oh shit, just got woke to the hypocrisy of the NYT by Tommy Cotton!

Maybe it's just modern cancel culture catching up to reality and we really do need to shit on the Times, cancel our subscriptions and spray paint slogans on the their building. I think we might be to ready to exclude. I think we might be too quick to get all worked up. Read that shit with a critical eye, enjoy some good journalism and try to be aware of the political biases and commercial influences that are coming to bear.

bfv  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·  
am_Unition  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not only this, but it's like, wtf else do we have for prose as succinct as NYT? Only mk.

I reserve the right to shit on NYT while retaining a subscription. Goldberg's rebuke of Cotton and NYT was gold, and the editorial board was probably like "yeah, ya got us".