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johnnyFive  ·  1455 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: We Will Regret Not Taking the Economic Effects of Mass Quarantine More Seriously  ·  

The author here is making a mistake that happens a lot with this kind of situation: conflating effectiveness with overreaction. He cites to infection rates leveling off in other countries, but fails to consider the fact that they've also implemented significant restrictions. China lowered its own infection rate by basically closing an entire province, and it seems to have worked. Italy is now seeing the start of a leveling-off as well, and that's about 2 weeks after putting the whole country on lockdown. The comparison to South Korea is also inapt, given that they reacted much faster and more prudently than the US did.

On the death rate: there are three problems here. The first is that his number is wrong; the WHO estimates a fatality rate of 3.4% worldwide, not 1%. Next, he conveniently leaves out Italy, which has seen a fatality rate of 5%. At least part of this is attributed to an overwhelmed healthcare system: in China's case, the death rate was 5.8% in Wuhan province, but only 0.7% in the rest of the country. Finally, 1% is still far from insignificant. If we had half the country infected, which is on the lower end of the estimates I've seen for doing nothing, a 1% death rate means 1.8 million people. That is a lot.

As for the economic impact, it's the usual "think of the job creators" nonsense. He's right that the economic impacts will be significant, but why is it only a choice between accepting a few (hundred) thousand more deaths from COVID-19 and trying to return to business as usual? If nothing else, the last few months should be showing us just how unsustainable our current economic system actually is. Shocks like disease are inevitable, and if our system is too brittle to handle them, it deserves to fail. If we'd listened to progressives 10 years ago, we'd already have measures in place that would've handled the economic effects far more effectively.





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johnnyFive  ·  1454 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This. All that "the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers" crap is a fallacy: choosing not to act is still a choice.

CrazyEyeJoe  ·  1455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In general, I agree with your analysis. I won't even bother to read the article, as I've heard it all before, and your rebuttals make it obvious what kind of article this is.

However, one correction. The fatality rate you quote is the rate among confirmed cases. Not the total number of cases (many people go untested, and few countries are testing large numbers. Just South Korea as far as I'm aware). The estimated death rate across all cases is closer to 1%:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51674743

johnnyFive  ·  1455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's a fair point, especially insofar as it's a reminder that we don't know for sure what the fatality rate actually is.

am_Unition  ·  1455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ooops, your math is correct, I retract my comment :)

johnnyFive  ·  1455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Numbers are just, like, ideas, man.

am_Unition  ·  1455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And usually a good idea, though some doth protest.