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nil  ·  65 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: On the use and abuse of Nietzsche for the Left

I am beyond convinced that the flaws in both Nietzsche and the philosophy of Peterson have nothing to do with any of their actual arguments, but rather their inability to have a good time.

NevaMor  ·  65 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I find absurdism as a philosophy is a lot more fun personally. (grammar fix bleh)

nil  ·  65 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Like dammit Fried, girls don't think you're ugly, you're just an asshole! Pick up guitar or some shit.

I read The Stranger by Camus. It was kind of boring. I feel I missed the point. My beef with existentialism will always be the assertion life has no inherent meaning. How do you know that? Or dukkha, how do you know everything is unsatisfactory? I'm pretty satisfied right now.

I just tell people I'm a Methodist. To clarify I have adopted zero of its practices nor do I attend church regularly.

kingmudsy  ·  65 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What you're describing with, "How do you know everything is unsatisfactory?" is closer in thought to nihilism. Meaning-making in a world without inherent meaning is actually kind of the goal of existentialism. You should feel satisfied through existentialism, it just asks that you acknowledge your hand in the creation of this satisfaction. The only meaning that could possibly matter to you is the meaning you (consciously or not) decide to derive yourself. If this meaning is belief in a higher power? Fine, Kierkegaard was a theistic existentialist. Hardly the first, either.

You're in a sandbox, and you have to make your own rules to play by.

Meanwhile absurdism (the Camus variety, anyway) agrees with some proponents of existentialist thought (that life has no inherent meaning), but claims that the pursuit of personal meaning is useless - it instead implores people to accept life’s lack of meaning, and rebel by rejoicing in what life does offer.

You're in a sandbox, and instead of making rules you decide to play in the sand.

Not asking you to re-evaluate your claims, but I'm definitely using you as an excuse to talk about this!

nil  ·  65 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's certainly a fascinating topic. I would say my point was more "philosophies are built on assumptions."

In order to accept nihilism you have to accept there is no objective meaning of life. There could be a meaning of life, that's maybe outside of a human scope of understanding. Of course operationally there's no distinction but it is an assumption.

The comment on Dukkha was mainly questioning the assumptions underlying Buddhism as usually nihilistic quotes are spun into a "life is shit" kind of ethos. Is it shit or does it merely contain shit?

What is meaning? What is life? And then you can be a Pre-Socratic skeptic and claim it's impossible to know anything at all and at that point you eithed have to accept some form of contextualism or you'll never be able to argue anything.

kingmudsy  ·  65 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ah, fair enough - I think I misinterpreted a pretty decent amount of your original comment :)

For what it's worth, I don't think life is shit. I also don't really subscribe to nihilistic thought much, I'm just fascinated with the reasoning behind it and the different conclusions that have been spun from it. If there's no meaning...What does that mean? Where does that lead?

I also think I protect myself well by not worrying about them too much. Maybe life doesn't have meaning, but who cares? Like you said, I'm pretty satisfied. I like the hypothetical, but I figure that the pursuit of an answer doesn't really lead to satisfaction, and the answer itself isn't really something I'm interested in determining. I like the evaluation, not the conclusion. I'll slap an absurdist label on that mindset if it helps people, but I don't really care to know if Camus is right; I know he had some interesting thoughts, and that's good enough.

I think I'm more interested in contextualism in architecture than philosophy anyways

NevaMor  ·  65 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fried never meant for peeps to dwell on nihilism but to overcome it I think, eh he probably looked into the abyss a bit too long. Meaning and satisfaction IMO come from the individual and no one else.

Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy is a great example of Absurdism. Also Red Dwarf. Pretty much there is no meaning and its absurd for humans to place a fiction of meaning on the universe. But hell, we'll make our own meaning for this life anyways. Take that you stupid universe and carry on! Makes my life a bit better in a more freeing way and gives me ammo to rile up all those lawful types (have fun trying to impose human top-down order onto chaos!) .

nil  ·  65 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Makes my life a bit better in a more freeing way and gives me ammo to rile up all those lawful types.

Chaos is my life. Welcome to the club.

As for the legibility problem, that's how interviews work. You don't need a Cloud Architect. You need someone that can Build™®©ƒ.

NevaMor  ·  65 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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