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user-inactivated  ·  1541 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: January 8, 2020

Look at this little one. It looks like it's having a smug little chuckle over there. I love it.

Netflix

I was recently told that an hour of watching Netflix causes about as much pollution as driving a car ten miles. I tried looking it up, but I can't find where to get that information, but I did find quite a few articles that data servers are quite the energy hogs. So I'm thinking of maybe just not watching Netflix anymore, save myself some money each month, and be just a bit more environmentally friendly. When I first thought about doing it, I was thinking "Oh, I dunno. I really like television." The more I think about it though, the less of a sacrifice it seems. After all, I gave up Hulu after Disney bought Fox and don't miss it anywhere near as much as I thought I would. Additionally, there's tons of films and TV shows over the years I've never gotten around to seeing, despite people raving about them, and I never really felt like I'm missing out. Plus, let's be honest, a lot of these services are just full of lame filler anyway, which just lead to a lame way to fill in the day.

Blessed Chalk

I recently hung out with a friend of mine and due to a scheduling issue, I ended up sitting and chatting with their lovely mother for about an hour and a half while they took care of a few things. I adore this woman and I'm told she's similarly fond of me. We chatted about a few things, from gardening to the aches and pains of aging to family. She's a pretty devout Catholic and so inevitably, our discussion drifted towards faith and religion. We talked quite a bit about courage and forgiveness and the ills of gossip. Before I left, she gave me some blessed chalk and instructions on how to bless my house for The Epiphany. All she asked was, that if I didn't bless my house, is to at least respect that the chalk is blessed and respectfully bury it in good soil instead of throwing it away.

I didn't bless my house, cause I'm not Catholic and it's not my house and I'm the only person under this roof who is religious. I still have the chalk though, and I am gonna respect her request about burying it. I'm thinking of instead of burying it whole though, of maybe breaking it into smaller pieces or grinding it up and putting it in the pots where I'm trying to grow my trees. Do I honestly think the chalk will help the seeds grow, either through science or prayer? No. But I feel like the chalk was a heartfelt and meaningful gift and I think burying it in something that I feel is meaningful to me is a significant act.

Pets and Aging

My dog is getting old guys. When it was younger, I wanted it to be young forever. Honestly though, this dog is wearing each day and each grey hair it gains with a very real dignity. I can only hope to age half as gracefully.

Here's hoping everyone's new year is going great so far. :)





KapteinB  ·  1540 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I was recently told that an hour of watching Netflix causes about as much pollution as driving a car ten miles. I tried looking it up, but I can't find where to get that information, but I did find quite a few articles that data servers are quite the energy hogs.

That doesn't sound right, but I tried ducking "how much does watching an episode on Netflix pollute" and got exactly zero relevant hits. It does however remind me of something I read years ago about Google searches, found this article about it.

    CO2GLE uses 2015 internet traffic data, Moll says, and is based on the assumption that Google.com “processes an approximate average of 47,000 requests every second, which represents an estimated amount of 500 kg of CO2 emissions per second.” That would be about 0.01 kg per request. She says these numbers are approximations, though when Quartz shared CO2GLE with Google, the company didn’t contest the math. In fact, in a 2009 estimate, Google said each query causes 0.2 grams of CO2 emissions.

    A spokesperson also tells Quartz that providing one user with one month of Google services generates about the same amount of the greenhouse gas emissions as driving a car for one mile. (An average gasoline-powered car typically emits 8.91 kg of CO2 per gallon. In the US, cars average 24.7 miles per gallon, which would mean a car emits 360.7 grams of CO2 per mile.)

Is watching one episode on Netflix roughly equivalent to ten months worth of Google searches? Does "Google services" include YouTube and Gmail and all their other services, or just search? And can we at all rely on a number provided by a company spokesperson?

There are indeed some of us who try to reduce our electricity consumption for environmental reasons, but I bet most haven't considered much the electricity consumed by their cloud services. Now I'm wondering if some internet giants are greener than others.

kleinbl00  ·  1539 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This one's been bugging me off and on, too. For starters, the Netflix you watch is probably a couple streets away. Netflix OCAs have just been getting smaller and more efficient, same as anything else in networking. If the box pulls down a peak of 300W and it's literally ALL THE NETFLIX IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD we're a long way from "driving a car ten miles."

Then the question becomes "how much energy actually goes into the packets" and it doesn't take too long to discover that "kWh/GB" is a statistically-significant search term, providing an answer of 5 kWh/GB in 2012 and 0.06 kWh/GB in 2018. Part of that is probably a better estimate; most of that is probably flash storage.

So now the question becomes how much GB is a Netflix. Although peak data usage is substantially higher than typical data usage, you can average and discover that Netflix, at 1080p, burns between 2 and 2 1/2 GB per hour.

The final question, then, is what are you watching on? Let's assume you have a reasonably new 50" LCD. The Samsung Amazon wants to sell me burns 55W. That would be 0.055 kWh.

Data side: 0.06 kWh * 2.5 = 150W

TV side: 55W

Hour of Netflix: 205W

So. This handy calculator tells me that it'll take $44 to get a Chevy Spark from my house to my wife's work (10 minutes, mostly flat, 2.9 miles) 5 days a week, twice a day, 52 weeks a year. Breaking that down, that's 440 kWh a year, or 8.46 kWh a week, or 846W per trip.

The Chevy Spark can make it 0.7 miles in the amount of energy it takes me to watch an hour of Netflix. It'll run out of juice in about two and a half minutes. That's not quite far enough to get to the nearest Redbox, and then I'd have to get back.

And I drive a 911 so this "Chevy Spark" nonsense is moot.

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user-inactivated  ·  1539 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The Chevy Spark can make it 0.7 miles in the amount of energy it takes me to watch an hour of Netflix.

So energy isn't so bad (still seems like a lot though), so that makes me wonder about the pollution then. Is there something about Data Centers that add to pollution? I imagine if they're hooked to green sources, like wind or solar, they'd be even cleaner than cars.

kleinbl00  ·  1538 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I regularly see snark on Twitter pointing out that the incel in his mom's basement pwning n00bs in COD is better for the environment than the SJW flying to Haiti to plant trees or whatever.

Here's the sad thing: your energy use is insane. All of ours is. Let's say you want to eat a piece of toast. Turning it from "bread" to "toast" is 1500W 1/30h = 0.05kWh. If I put you on an exercise bike and had you pedal for an hour you'd probably burn about 0.08kWh. We won't talk about the fridge keeping the butter cold, the car that got it from the grocery store, the energy to keep the lights on at the grocery store, the truck that brought it to the grocery store, none of it. If you're having a banana for lunch, it's probably traveled 3000 miles to get to you. The Netflix side of the equation is almost moot and still, if I hooked you up to your TV like Gilligan you couldn't quite muster up enough energy to power the TV, the router and* the light over your head.

Here's the happy thing:

Right there, at the very end, for the first time in history, wind and solar edged out coal.

I want you to keep in mind: when I grew up, we were worried about (A) a new ice age (B) nuclear winter (C) malthusian famine due to overpopulation (D) peak oil being hit about 1982 so this whole "wind and solar edged out coal" thing is fuckin' magical to me. Australia is still on fire, to be sure, and we appear to be entering a decade of authoritarian oppression but there are green shoots.

user-inactivated  ·  1538 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Here's the sad thing: your energy use is insane. All of ours is.

Indeed. The more mindful I try to be about how I live my life, from the foods I eat, to the things I buy, to my day to day activities, the more I realize I do and use and take so much. I openly talk about the stuff I try to do right and why I think these things are important, like cut down on red meat, but I'm constantly self chastising myself for the things I don't do right, like energy use.

People say sometimes, when I talk to them about these things, "Don't be so hard on yourself. You're just one person. Look at company x or government y and what they do!" Which is true. But even though I know I'm just a drop of water in the ocean, I'm still part of the tsunami, and even though I'm trapped by the inertia of the waves, I'm aware of what's going on and those calmer waters that I want to be a part of feel so impossibly far away. It's a hurtful knowledge to have.