Share good ideas and conversation.   Login, Join Us, or Take a Tour!
comment by blackbootz
blackbootz  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Fortnite

The author seems to be a techno-futurist judging by his tone. I've played Fortnite once or twice, really don't get it. But then I heard that they're making north of $300 million a month. That it's where essentially all teenage boys recreate.

On the other hand, the techno-futurism was on display for WoW, Second Life, Minecraft... I don't really see Fortnite as any sort of terminus.

Still. Almost half a bill' on skins. Fuck me.




kleinbl00  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The author seems to be a techno-futurist judging by his tone.

Well, consider the source. Media ReDEFined has always been the un-Vice - they're not hip and aloof from what they observe, they're dorky and aloof from what they observe.

Nobody has successfully made a persistent virtual space that attracts all participants. This despite the fact that it's been the Great Shining Future since Tron. Seriously - every cyberpunk book, story, comic or movie you've ever seen has some form of "jacking into the matrix" or some shit. It's as inevitable as the iPad was once Vannevar Bush drew a Memex in 1945.

The fact that every technological innovation ends up popping social indicates how badly we want it... and the fact that none of them stick indicates that nobody can figure out how to monetize it. Maybe Epic will blunder their way there but for now, the space doesn't attract anyone who doesn't already have a reason to be there.

bfv  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's no physical space everyone wants to be in either. VRML and X3D were closer to something that could be generally useful to whatever degree VR is generally useful, but both came along too soon and were dead by the time actually doing something with them was viable.

kleinbl00  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's an interesting distinction. The thing about virtual spaces is they're easier to separate and propagate than real spaces. And if you've got a protocol (kind of like how ReDEF really wants this to be about Unreal Engine) then you can shift from space to space.

bfv  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Which was what VRML was designed to support, being a 3D analog of HTML. It was modeled on Open Inventor rather than a game engine, and never got good editors, but the idea was I make a space on my server and you make one on yours and we can link them together. Something like that is a much more likely to yield science fictiony ubiquitous 3d interfaces than the Unreal engine, even though the first try didn't work out so well.

kleinbl00  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Trust me - back when I thought I had a hope in hell of coding I studied VRML extensively. I was not good at computer then, and am not good at computer now.

OftenBen  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Those numbers blow my mind.

Where else would that money have been spent if fortnite didn't exist? Still on games?

Odder  ·  7 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Still on games?

Probably, right? I mean, if we assume that most of that money is disposable income that parents are spending on their teenage children (or maybe money the kids made themselves if they're a bit older), it's safe to assume it otherwise would have been spent on something similar.

francopoli  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

EA is blaming Fortnite for its stock crash. You only have so many hours in a day. If you spend four-six of those in Fortenite, and eight sleeping, that does not leave a lot of time to do other things that need your attention, say watch Netflix or play other games. I've posted a few times the survey showing young men and boys do not watch television any more. In the one video I've posted, 85% of the people they surveyed, out of some 10,00 respondents, DO NOT WATCH ANY TELEVISION AT ALL. Where are their eyeballs? Video games. Hell, this article from 2015 makes the claim that men are not even watching movies any more!

Money is a part of the equation. The bigger freakout should be the attention/eyeball crash.

kleinbl00  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Speaking as someone who has made nearly seven figures from television, I am reasonably certain that television will turn out to be a 'boomer phenomenon. The average age of network viewers goes up a year every year. The engagement of every age group but senior citizens goes down every year.

These are not people who will suddenly start watching TV. It is dead to them forever.

francopoli  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And if you really want to see Ad Execs freak out, separate that out by Sex. Men under 35, if I had to make a bet, are 1/2 those numbers.

OftenBen  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

THE DEMOGRAPHIC

blackbootz  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wonder how and when the hundreds of millions will trickle down to us. What do video game producers spend their money on?

A quick look tells me that a Chinese conglomerate owns 40% of Epic Games. So the money might stay in China for a little while.

francopoli  ·  8 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Tencent just bought its way into Reddit this week as well.