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johnnyFive  ·  2034 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The fundamental lie at the base of American Conservatism

Except that's not what you said. You said that "religious people" (without further qualification) are better at ignoring the meaning of the words they use.

    Religious people when taken as a group can be said to be better at doublethink because constituents of the group are.

This is not a logically consistent or supportable statement, since you haven't shown that it applies to even half of religious people, much less most or all. All Protestants are less than half of the total number of Christians, and of course Evangelicals are not the majority of Protestants (or if they are, depending on the numbers you use, it's barely). Meanwhile, Christians represent less than half of all religious people on Earth.

Using the most generous numbers, Baptists of all kinds Pentecostals Misc. Evangelicals Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses number 489.8 million. That's 53% of Protestants, but only 20% of Christians and 6% of all religious people overall.





OftenBen  ·  2034 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's a general principle my guy.

Non-religious people don't have conversations like

'Wait, we should FEAR and love god?'

'Nono, you don't have to be AFRAID of god, you just have to be respectful of the fact that he could end all that you know in fire and torment instantly and for no reason. Not AFRAID but RESPECTFUL.'

As another example. Non-religious people don't have to have the same slippery relationship with words that religious people do. The bible says 'Fear and love god' and people worm their way around the word 'fear' to make it mean 'respect' even though the literal word is 'fear.'

At the churches that I am familiar with, this type of discussion and thought process features heavily.

This is not 'all religious people are dumb.'

This is 'Religious people in aggregate exhibit a behavior that non-religious people do not.' and that behavior is the non-literal interpretation of the written word. English majors dissect The Great Gatsby for meaning, disagree about symbolism and intent. They don't do it with the regularity and familiarity of a theologian whose whole job, as far as I can tell, is to play religious texts and history like an instrument.

johnnyFive  ·  2030 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's pretty clear that you're letting your own bad experiences with a single congregation color your perception of religion as a whole.

I don't know where exactly you're quoting from with the "fear and love God" bit, so I can't say more on that point. But I have to wonder how productive it would be to do so.