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comment by kleinbl00

I don't know Kentucky politics. I know the governor and the legislature don't have to be in lock step.

I also know that states have to balance their budgets. The Feds cover most of the Medicaid bill but not all of it. If a million people get a $2 jar of tylenol under Medicaid and Kentucky pays 10% of it, they're still out $200k. I mean, yay tylenol but it's not a wash.

You got into a thing because you were expressing a rural South viewpoint of liberal stereotypes as opposed to a cosmopolitan North viewpoint of liberal stereotypes. They're all stereotypes, of course. Cuck, by the way, doesn't mean what you (or they) think it means. It derives from "cuckservative" which is just a more offensive way of saying "Republican In Name Only" with a little added emasculation thrown in. A cuck has to have lost something - a homosexual liberal cannot be a "cuck" because he never had any masculinity to be cuckolded. At least, that was the thinking before rednecks started using it as a politically-charged version of "douchebag."

The GOP playbook, for exactly 50 years, has been to pit poor white people against poor anybody else people. The "hate the fuck out of food stamps" angle is because of our Protestant work ethic: hard work is holy and handouts are for heathens. If you take charity it's a sign that you are impure. Here's the cognitive dissonance: 'boomer rednecks grew up with a reasonable assumption that if you work hard you'll get ahead but that's no longer true. So if you're working hard and not getting ahead it must be because of those Mexicans that are taking everyone's jobs.

Globalization did fuck rural America pretty hard. So did NAFTA. There's legitimate beef. But the Democrats don't have a solution and shrug and whistle while the Republicans don't have a solution but they're happy to lie about it. Build the wall.

We're a long goddamn way from the Depression. However, the Depression was certainly a driving force for socialism. That's one of the reasons FDR basically grabbed Huey Long's platform and TVA'd his way through it. Also keep in mind: the Depression was blamed (rightly) on Hoover, who was a Republican... and it landed squarely in a Democrat's lap.




francopoli  ·  17 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I don't know Kentucky politics. I know the governor and the legislature don't have to be in lock step.

Take all your previous posts about how fucked Rural America is. Throw in your hate of the coal country idiots. Add in a few fanatic religious sects. Then give all those people a coalition and the keys to the state government. The whole platform is fuck poor people and do everything you can to fuck over the two Blue-Voting Cities (The same two cities that are 2/3 the state economy).

Kentucky is everything wrong with what is going on at a national level, only with the crazy cranked up to RONPAUL2008 levels. Only the crazy here wins because everything is shit, everything is terrible and the only option left is to fuck it up for everyone else while you laugh as it all burns down.

kleinbl00  ·  17 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've been swimming in the matrix for the past eighteen months or so - no, that's not true. I've been swimming in the matrix since November 9, 2016.

When the economy crashed and nobody could quite explain in simple terms what a CDO or tranche was, I set out to understand. I now subscribe to a dozen financial newsletters, three of them paid, and have read maybe 30 books on macroeconomics. I have an opinion on who wrote the best book on the Great Depression.

When the government crashed and nobody could quite explain in simple terms what Rural America wanted, I set out to understand. I'm not quite there yet but I know a few things: the problem is bigger, the problem is more intractable, and the solution is more elusive.

I didn't link to this article because its tone was snarky, apocalyptic and full of bad analogies but I keep coming back to it. Susan McWilliams argues that Rural America is the Hell's Angels - fucked from the get-go and motivated by nihilistic hatred. I think that's an oversimplification, but I think it's one view through the panopticon of modern American poverty.

Fundamentally?

American democracy was not designed for equality. It was designed for the appearance of equality, for the opportunity for equality but at a structural level, advantage goes to the landowners. And big landowners have always had an advantage over small landowners.

The last time we had inequality this bad, you could still lynch black people. You could steal farms from the Japanese by interning them in camps. You could banish Mexicans by the busload for growing hemp. It sucked to be poor and white but not nearly as much as it sucked to be black or hispanic or asian. The liberals, however, have led a 70-year crusade to make it suck less to be black or hispanic or asian. The end result has been poor white people experiencing a net decline in socioeconomic status. Which is not to say things are better for black people - but they are less worse. Meanwhile, things are more worse for poor white people.

And they're not going to get better. The entire weight of politics and economics is against them. From hospital bills to payday loans to crumbling education to rising rents, things are easier now for the rich and harder now for the poor and the rich are richer and the poor are poorer.

And it's better in the cities, but everybody knows it's better in the cities. And you talk about your acre of paradise but you're in Kentucky. I may live (during the summer) in a Mexican ex-pat shithole but I'm 45 minutes by metro to GOOGLE. I could be at Snapchat in an hour. And that's why in my neighborhood a 2br 1ba with bars on the windows is $850k. Why is the homeless rate so high on the west coast? Because that's where the jobs are, duh.

So much of American politics has become angry dead-ender nihilism. The problem is, the only way it's going to get any better is if we can make things better for the poor against their goddamn will like when the Obi-Wan dude gets all "I cast you out!" on the warty white "you have no power here" dude in Lord of the Rings.

And that's not going to happen any time soon.

To get a little Kabbala on it, Strauss and Howe argued that things had to really go to shit between 2004 and 2030 in order for their whole "saeculum" theory of history to play out. Steve Bannon's whole schtick was to accelerate the catastrophe.

I think if you're in a bad place it's going to get extraordinarily worse. And I think if you're rich and Republican you know your margins go up the poorer poor people are. I mean, shit - make abortion illegal and that whole "we've only got two workers per retiree" problem solves itself, right?

tacocat  ·  17 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You are correct enough. I will say I'm probably exposed to more casual vernacular use of cuck than you. And also the article should have at least given background and current rationale. I assumed it was blah blah budget, but for whatever reason I only saw "we didn't get what we wanted so fuck the poor." And some of the potential requirements wouldn't help balance the budget except to disqualify people

b_b  ·  17 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The "hate the fuck out of food stamps" angle is because of our Protestant work ethic: hard work is holy and handouts are for heathens. If you take charity it's a sign that you are impure. Here's the cognitive dissonance: 'boomer rednecks grew up with a reasonable assumption that if you work hard you'll get ahead but that's no longer true. So if you're working hard and not getting ahead it must be because of those Mexicans that are taking everyone's jobs.

In Michigan, the terrorist group formerly known as the gop has finally figured a creative way to solve this problem. They passed a bill that levies a work requirement for Medicaid but only in counties that have a high population density. Can't quite put my finger on what the difference between urban and rural poor is, but I think they're up to something.