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user-inactivated  ·  2157 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Passion of Jordan Peterson

    That’s why I like it. When he says, ‘Life is suffering,’ that resonates very deeply. You can tell he’s not bullshitting us.

    Voluntary confrontation with the tragedy and malevolence of being.

Peterson is wired into a very bad head-trip. It's understandable why really depressed young people would resonate with concepts like this but Christ man, can't you be optimistic at all? It all just feels so dis-empowering.





OftenBen  ·  2155 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Peterson is wired into a very bad head-trip.

It's identical to the one most Christians and every practicing Buddhist is on.

Study religion. Study comparative religion. Better yet, be a devout for a few decades and get back to me.

user-inactivated  ·  2154 days ago  ·  link  ·  

One does not need to follow a religion for decades or earn a doctorate to evaluate claims made by one of its adherents. I'm not really sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

OftenBen  ·  2153 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    One does not need to follow a religion for decades or earn a doctorate to evaluate claims made by one of its adherents.

That's EXACTLY what you need to do actually.

The basis of the Christian worldview as described by the Bible is as follows.

Due to the sinful nature of man following our eviction from the garden, corporeal existence in the world, separated from god is suffering. To live as a human is to experience pain, disease, heartbreak and the painful apartness from God. Salvation through faith in Jesus does not change the state of things here on earth, it guarantees eternal bliss AFTER you die. Peterson doesn't even go this extreme because if you press him on whether or not he really believes in an afterlife he shrugs his shoulders REALLY hard and says you can't prove a negative, among other things.

I am not being casual when I say to study religion. Peterson's viewpoint is a nuanced and educated one. If there is anyone who has a series of serious axes to grind against religion, Christianity and pop-theology especially, it's me, and I STILL see the value in what Peterson is trying to say.

user-inactivated  ·  2153 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    One does not need to follow a religion for decades or earn a doctorate to evaluate claims made by one of its adherents.

    That's EXACTLY what you need to do actually.

By that logic, the only way to agree or disagree with Heaven's Gate would be to follow them for two decades. By that logic, only Ph.D's are correct about anything, and only in their specific field (hint: Peterson has a psych degree, not a religion degree).

I'm familiar with Christian ethics. I was raised in a religious household. I practiced Buddhism for four years. I've been to church over 500 times. My priest recommended me a book when I was 14 called Nihilism: The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age in which an Orthodox priest lays out his case for a world centered around Biblical truth. It's very similar to Peterson's spiel, although more intense given it was written in the early-1960's. Peterson tones it down a lot more for modern culture but the central outlook is the same. It's anti-liberalism, pro-hierarchy, pro-God, anti-casual sex. It really has everything.

Much more important than being "nuanced and educated" is being correct. Arguments from authority have no place in rational discourse. Peterson could be piss-drunk and screaming his truth and it would be just as valid. History is full of nuanced and educated views that turned out to be wrong, disagreeable, or worse.

The only thing I find novel about Peterson is he's managed to convince young people to love something they normally hate. That takes skill.

OftenBen  ·  2152 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Good talk.