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Quatrarius  ·  2688 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: More Religious Leaders Challenge Silence, Isolation Surrounding Suicide

This is interesting

natives always get dicked out of having "religion" in favor of some vague kind of "spirituality" which is one of those words people use to to either:

1. minimize their own beliefs (i'm not religious, i'm just spiritual [because "religious doesn't sound good nowaways])

2. minimize the beliefs of other cultures (look how cute these natives are with their nature and their interconnectedness - if only we, nasty whitey, could be as pure as these people we're killing [oh well])

same thing with chinese and japanese beliefs, but they call those "philosophies" or "folk traditions," which is hardly better

only indo-europeans and semites are allowed to use the word religion





user-inactivated  ·  2685 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm sorry I missed your edit. I've been going through the link you added, reading a bit here and there. The excerpt about "Crazy Dogs" was pretty interesting.

    same thing with chinese and japanese beliefs, but they call those "philosophies" or "folk traditions," which is hardly better

    only indo-europeans and semites are allowed to use the word religion

I'm sure you're well aware, but this is a criticism/complaint that gets brought up a lot, and not just in regards to religion. For example, for a while the word "primitive" has been used a describer of both indigenous religions and art and it's been pretty much decided that the term does the cultures that embrace them a disservice, because the term is seen as ethno-centric and implies the art or concepts as "lesser than." At least when I was in college, I don't know about now, the appropriate term was "indigenous" as it was seen as more accurate and "folk" has a bit of a different connotation. Though I sometimes wonder if the word "indigenous" has its own flaws and we should just get rid of qualifiers like that altogether. But then I think it'd be harder to describe what we're looking at if we're afraid to use qualifiers. So I dunno. I'm torn.

Anyhow, I think one of the hang ups people had for a long time, was that the definition "religion" was looked at in western expectations. If a belief system ticked the boxes of being structured, having a long and/or strong written history, and a significant number of adherents, it was given more weight. I'm under the impression that over the past century or so, academics and scholars are aiming to be less rigid in the definition and therefore becoming more inclusive.

user-inactivated  ·  2688 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Extremely interesting actually. Thanks for the link. Looks like I have a lot of stuff to read.