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kleinbl00  ·  2318 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Sam Altman: E Pur Si Muove

    I'm not so sure that SF is far worse than the rest of the country, at least the Midwest.

Point to where the evil white people culturally appropriated your lunch





mk  ·  2318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Jesus. I challenge anyone to point to any cultural phenomenon that wasn't appropriated. Every idea is derivative. Burritos are fucking derivative. HAS EVERYONE GONE CRAZY???

b_b  ·  2318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We even don't complain anymore when Catholics are admitted into historically Episcopal institutions, e.g. the presidency. We all borrow from one another, and I guess it's ok :|

kleinbl00  ·  2318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think the burrito thing was a confluence of events:

- angry hippies in Portland that hate that rich people are moving there

- foodies

- The Worst Fucking Thing to come out of Seattle, fucktard trademark mcpompousface, decided to stoke the shit out the problem.

things went worse than expected.

From the wayback:

    Portland has an appropriation problem.

    This week in white nonsense, two white women—Kali Wilgus and Liz “LC” Connely—decided it would be cute to open a food truck after a fateful excursion to Mexico. There’s really nothing special about opening a Mexican restaurant—it’s probably something that happens everyday. But the owners of Kooks Burritos all but admitted in an interview with Willamette Week that they colonized this style of food when they decided to “pick the brains of every tortilla lady there in the worst broken Spanish ever.”

    “...You can eat $5 lobster on the beach,” Connelly said, “which they give you with this bucket of tortillas.” The “they” she was referring to were probably the Mexican “abuelitas” these two women preyed upon in order to appropriate the secrets of their livelihood. Suitably impressed, these tourists began asking the locals questions about how these tortillas were made. “They told us basic ingredients,” Connelly said, adding “[but] they wouldn't tell us too much about technique.” Hmmm. Wonder why? This is where things go from quirky to predatory if you haven’t already guessed.

    “…We were peeking into window of every kitchen, totally fascinated by how easy they made it look,” she said. So let’s recap the story thus far: These two white women went to Mexico, ate tacos, and then decided they would just take what the locals clearly didn't want to give them. If that wasn't bad enough, they decided to pack up all their stolen intellectual property and repackage it in one of the few places where such a business could plausibly work: Portland, Oregon.

    While describing themselves on their Yelp biography (which has since been edited), Connelly claims to have “a mean tortilla flip” while Wilgus anointed herself as the “director of vibes” and “our little abuelita with recipes from the heart”—even though the recipes were stolen.

    Week after week people of color in Portland bear witness to the hijacking of their cultures, and an identifiable pattern of appropriation has been created. Several of the most successful businesses in this town have been birthed as a result of curious white people going to a foreign country, or an international venture, and poaching as many trade secrets, customs, recipes as possible, and then coming back to Portland to claim it as their own and score a tidy profit. Now don’t get me wrong: cultural customs are meant to be shared. However, that’s not what happens in this city.

    Because of Portland’s underlying racism, the people who rightly own these traditions and cultures that exist are already treated poorly. These appropriating businesses are erasing and exploiting their already marginalized identities for the purpose of profit and praise.

    People of color are nothing more than an afterthought when the white perpetrators of this tradition continue to do this on a regular basis. While Portland is supposedly a progressive place, super liberal white people usually only have other super white liberal people to answer to—which means this cycle of cultural appropriation will never end until people of color call attention to it.

    And call attention to it we did. As soon as Willamette Week, who has a history of publishing racially insensitive food commentary, published this story, people of color were outraged. Even some of those aforementioned super liberal white people. The comments on the article went up in flames, and pretty soon the story was even picked up by a national outlet.

    Following the WW’s article, one commenter said: “Now that you all boldly and pretty fucking unapologetically stole the basis of these women's livelihoods, you can make their exact same product so other white ppl don't have to be inconvenienced of dealing with a pesky brown middle woman getting in their way. Great job.”

    Another commenter explained what’s basically a sad truth underlying the Portland restaurant community: “If you knew anything of the restaurant industry (or Google) you'd know that this is true. ‘Ethnic’ chefs are expected to ‘cook from their ethnic backgrounds’ while White chefs can do what these two horrid women did: vacation somewhere and ‘get inspired’ and appropriate an entire culture's cuisine and claim it as their own.”

    Immediately after the fury continued online, a different resource emerged and quickly went viral: a Google doc showing exactly how prevalent this epidemic is. The list titled “White-Owned Appropriative Restaurants in Portland” provides a who’s who of culinary white supremacy.

    An introduction to the document begins by saying, “This is NOT about cooking at home or historical influences on cuisines; it's about profit, ownership, and wealth in a white supremacist culture.” And it ends by letting visitors know, “If you've come here in anger, please read at least a couple of these articles before continuing to the list on the next tab below.”

    Despite this issue being dismissed by supporters of Kook’s Burritos—while our views were seen as just a bunch of angry minorities attacking innocent white women who only wanted to make tacos—the food cart closed as of late Friday. Willamette Week has not taken any responsibility or shown any accountability for their actions.

    While the closing of Kooks Burritos is a victory, it’s a small one and unless we continue to call this out it will happen again. In the meantime, it helps to support the originators of various cultures. If you’re really dying to get a burrito, here’s a list of six Latin owned restaurants that also exist in Portland.

Does kinda look like they fired the fucker

mk  ·  2318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's an insanely good Kurdish restaurant in Chicago called The Gundis. The chef is Juan M. Gonzalez.

OftenBen  ·  2318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've been told that all the best 'Italian' restaurants in NYC are now run by Albanians.

kleinbl00  ·  2318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Nearly every pizza joint in Seattle is run by Greeks. I love being able to commonly and regularly get gyro meat on pizza with a side of spanikopeta.

OftenBen  ·  2318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dude we are no stranger to the Greek Deli here in the mitten state, I hear ya.

ButterflyEffect  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Where the fuck are the good pizza joints in Seattle. I'll probably hate them regardless, especially since I can't partake in the gyro meat, but still.

I've found one great pizza joint so far and that was in Olympia.

kleinbl00  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You old sweet-talker, you. I sure am compelled to make suggestions for you to snark about now!

b_b  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's not his fault. Every single person from the rust belt (yours truly included) is convinced that there's no such thing as good pizza on the west coast. I'm sure Seattle is better than LA. Nothing could be worse than LA.

mk  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I found killer pizza in San Jose. Of course it's called "Slice of New York" ...fucking appropriation.

I like those slices in DC that are as big as your torso. Is that just a DC thing?

Devac  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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OftenBen  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That sounds positively magical.

ButterflyEffect  ·  2311 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not at all a DC thing. It's a Northeast/Rust Belt thing, though, for sure.

kleinbl00  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Kinda like how new Yorkers assert that bagels made without the right species of pigeon shit in the water just don't taste right?

I grew up in New Mexico. So did my uncle, 30 years before me. We have diametrically opposed opinions as to what constitutes "good" Mexican food.

b_b  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well the pigeons' primary food source is decaying rats, who have in turn fed on decaying garbage. You can't replicate that in a lab, dude.

kleinbl00  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So long as we can agree that "things that are good" and "things that we like" are independent variables, I give no fucks as to how people like their pizza.

mk  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's interesting. I probably can't open a soul food restaurant, but I can likely open a Chinese restaurant since my wife is Chinese. But what if I opened a Japanese restaurant? I can imagine people eating their sushi thinking it was so nice that this white/asian couple opened a Japanese restaurant, but then spitting out their food in disgust once my wife spoke (That is unless they can't tell the difference between Japanese and Chinese language, then omg eat up you racist scum!).

kleinbl00  ·  2316 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Up here, at least, the Japanese aren't accorded culture. Most of the sushi/teriyaki/yakitori places are owned and operated by Koreans.

OftenBen  ·  2317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I am a proud finnish-american, and happily check 'other' and write that in on every form that I can.

Devac  ·  2318 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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