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comment by FirebrandRoaring

    The GOP is currently burning to the ground.

Was it burning to the ground under Nixon, or Dubya?

kleinbl00  ·  231 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is not an easy answer.

The modern GOP was born from the ashes of the Barry Goldwater campaign. He was a Republican's Republican - small government, states' rights, fuck the blacks, unions and poor. he was also a principled man of admirable character who got absolutely annihilated by LBJ.

This caused some soul-searching amongst the leading lights of the Republican Party. Their result: they had no soul. When it became abundantly clear that they could not win a majority for what they stood for, they opted to focus on what they stood against in order to spook the shit out of white people.

It's interesting that you mention Nixon and Dubya but not Reagan or George H. Their campaigns were run by Lee Atwater who died remorseful of a brain tumor (he was a sack of shit). George W's campaign was run by Karl Rove, who would go on to run the College Republicans after working on the Nixon campaign.

Of course, none of the above talked about "death panels" as Palin did during McCain's election. And nobody suggested that their opponents were criminals (while being investigated by the FBI). So it's kind of a matter of degree, isn't it?

Nobody really called Romney out as a dire scumbag. He was a Republican but not a terrible one. And nobody had much awful to say about Bob Dole, either.

So on the one hand, you could argue that the Republicans burned to the ground in '64. But on the other hand, you could argue that the only time they win is when they've got a goddamn conflagration.

...unless the opponent is Dukakis.

FirebrandRoaring  ·  231 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    It's interesting that you mention Nixon and Dubya but not Reagan or George H.

I'm a newbie in the American politics. Those are the only two names I know that people bash without any remorse. They also happened to be Republicans.

In your far more educated opinion, could anything change for the Republican Party with Trump? Could they fall apart from all smoke and fire?

kleinbl00  ·  231 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Reagan was a terrible human being. George H wasn't great but he wasn't awful. I think you'll find that most people on the Internet don't remember Reagan or George H because they were all born after 1990 so "Reagan" occupies the same mental space as "Teddy Roosevelt" and "Abraham Lincoln."

I think the Republican Party is going to look different after the 2018 midterms. On the one hand, they're experiencing some success by becoming the American Nazi Party. On the other hand, there may not be enough votes if they focus on the Trumpkins... and if they focus on the Trumpkins they're giving everyone else a great excuse to not vote Republican.

It's an open question.

am_Unition  ·  231 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The social tinder was wetter, back then, maybe due to ever-looming geopolitical threats unifying the country. At least those guys pretended to be moral. And they were certainly "establishment".

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