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CurryMath  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)

    And Reason, of all the places, writes an article on it.

I think it's a good thing that the topic gets some attention. Being a NEET (Not in Education, Employment or Training) wrecks with peoples mental health, but especially with young mens. An ex-Boyfriend of mine was somewhat active in an online community that explicitly caters to NEETs, and their lack of self-esteem and coping skills is just frightening.

They seemed to believe that there was something inherently wrong with them, that they were part of a globally oppressed geek race that "normies" just don't get, and that getting a girlfriend is the ultimate achievement that absolves you from your personal shortcomings.

I think the whole issue is as much about mental health as it is about the economy. Video games can have strong (both positive and negative!) effects on players mental health, so this is a thing worth looking into.

dublinben  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If only they had some class consciousness, and realized that the problem doesn't lie with them, but with the structure of our economy. This is being done to them, not by them.

They'll certainly never read that on Reason or 4chan though.

kleinbl00  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's an element of powerlessness, though. I think if you look at Occupy Wall Street, it defines the problem exactly: a motivated, mobilized mass that can't suggest an easy solution but isn't quite mad enough to call for violent revolution.

francopoli  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

One day i will write about my involvement in OWS, but every time it comes up I just get angry and want to throw shit.

kleinbl00  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Packer's The Great Unwinding explained it pretty well to me. A lot of people were really angry, had legitimate beefs, but had no action items to make things better so it dissipated in a cloud of bitter disillusionment.

iammyownrushmore  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I would love to hear about it.

francopoli  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right now it is 40 paragraphs of the word "fuck."

CurryMath  ·  312 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can only second this. Please @francopoli

cgod  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You've got to be fucking pulling my leg with this shit.

Male twenty something unemployed gamers as an oppressed class? They have the privilege to sit around just playing games in a world where idleness so often equals starvation and death.

Anyone one of them could get up off the couch and get a real life (as in out of game RL, not at all in denigration) if they so chose. They have instead chosen to play games because that is an option open to them which they have decided gives them the most satisfaction.

The fact that they bemoan a life without sweet lovin could be laid at the feet of our educational system, opportunity cost is a good thing to know about, but it certainly isn't an unchangeable fact of life imposed by our economic system. It's more the consequences of taking the path of least resistance during an unexamined life.

ButterflyEffect  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I was listening to Maron interview Bruce Springsteen last night, and a semi related topic was a major point of discussion. They spent a lot of time talking about two types of people:

1. Those who are hard on themselves.

2. Those who beat the shit out of themselves.

I think that a lot of what kleinbl00 brought up are societal conditions pushing people towards (2), where the kind of communities you bring up are people reinforcing their belief that they fall into (2). There is an inherent belief, I think, that things will not get better, that you will not be better, and that you do not deserve to improve when you fall into (2). The other side is people who become too consumed by improvement and grind themselves into a nib, also category (2).

dust_of_nations  ·  303 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This really resonates with me. I am definitely a (2) in that scenario. Crippling depression and anxiety to boot. Definitely want to make positive changes in my life, however I will admit that in my current state of well-being, apathy is not only easier but the default mode of living. This is my first comment here on hubski, and I joined just to respond to your reply, but I am greatly looking forward to being a part of the community.

ButterflyEffect  ·  300 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hey dust_of_nations! Hope you're still around. Maybe that comment is a catalyst for changing the default mode of living. Overcoming the inertia of a current lifestyle is the hardest part, if you want to talk about this kind of stuff some more feel free to reply, no worries if not!

kleinbl00  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  
ArtemusBlank  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Isn't r/incels worse or are these two just about the same? I keep hearing incels is an awful place.

OftenBen  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Very little difference.

Tidder seems to be kinder to self described 'foreveralones' than self described 'incels' but nobody has good actionable advice for either group.

CurryMath  ·  313 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree. The whole thing was more like a "mutual bemoaning" than an actual support group.