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user-inactivated  ·  2525 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Old Handsign Meaning "OK" Triggers Girl Who Once Saw a Pepe Meme Doing It

I admit I have a Kekistan flag. But wow we have reached peak Autism haven't we.

I also find it more than a bit funny that the gay and transgender flags are in the suggested banner.





user-inactivated  ·  2525 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    But wow we have reached peak Autism haven't we.

The hell? Since when autism is a synonym of sane people's stupidity?

user-inactivated  ·  2525 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It is an old 4Chan joke. To explain it would take about an hour, but the central core is that a significant portion of 4Chan users have some form of autism. It's been weaponized to attack Shia LeBeof, to attack Scientology, to find ISIS camps. It has also been used to mess with people and ruin innocent (well kinda innocent) people.

"Peak Autism" is a self-effacing joke at the expense of the person speaking. The term is usually used in reference to someone with no social awareness who does not get a joke or obvious sarcasm.

Example? What do you call a group of Autistic adults sitting around a table? Engineers.

Devac  ·  2524 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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user-inactivated  ·  2523 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It didn't start on 4chan. Self-diagnosing as autistic was a nerd fad for a while after Brahm Cohen, the guy who wrote bittorrent, started talking about his autism. Autism jokes were a reaction to everyone deciding they were autistic, and mostly at the expensive of people who weren't really autistic. 4chan kept them going long after the fad died because endlessly repeating things that were a little bit funny in 2004 is what it does.

user-inactivated  ·  2524 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    It is an old 4Chan joke.

Well, that's just retarded.

(that was a joke; don't fling daggers my way)

Shit's fucked when you get to call stupidity "autism" and get away with it. It's not Alexandria's disease: it's a real human condition that most people misunderstand rather harshly.

kleinbl00  ·  2524 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Shit's fucked when you get to call stupidity "autism" and get away with it.

This is the modus operandi of 4chan: a safe space for people to converse under an alternate set of social mores. Fans of 4chan argue that this is a vital function in an overly restrictive, alienating environment; detractors of 4chan argue that this function normalizes inappropriate behavior outside of 4chan.

hint: the detractors are correct

OftenBen  ·  2523 days ago  ·  link  ·  

'Retard' used to be the politically correct term for 'Mongoloids.'

Food for thought.

kleinbl00  ·  2523 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Do you know what "food for thought" means? It means "here is a thought-provoking idea that may cause you to reflect upon its mysteries."

"mongoloid" meant "downs syndrome" for a hundred years. For a hundred years before that it meant "asian." "idiot" used to mean "disabled" too so I ask you - why does any of this matter?

Here's your food for thought: Autism didn't hit clinical acceptance until 1980 so by the time people were being called "autistic" (correctly) the term "mongoloid" had been taboo for over 20 years. And somewhere in there, you're making a point to defend 4chan? I think? Because they're somehow innovatively offensive with their slurs so leave Britney alone or some shit?

I grew up surrounded by Indian land, passing Bureau of Indian Affairs trucks, during the rise of Indian casinos and when I moved from New Mexico to Washington people got all hot'n'bothered that I used the term "Indian" instead of "Native American" because up here? They're Native Americans, not Indians. So what did I do?

I started referring to Native Americans.

Except when I'm in Canada, where they're First Nations.

It's rare that the whole world is wrong except you, and it's rare that you can't make things a little better for everybody by trying on their terminology. 4chan? They're actively trying to turn harmless words into offensive ones - kinda like how PePe is now a nazi.

And I wouldn't be jumping down your throat other than the fact that apparently, you approve of the process.

OftenBen  ·  2523 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Approve doesn't enter into it.

Language changes and evolves over time. This is usually an inoffensive process. Clinical jargon regarding mental illness of various kinds gets hijacked and used for slurs.

Any word can be offensive, if said with offensive intent. We should aspire to be harder to offend. More capable of seeing that the intent is just to cause offense for offense sake and not take it.

In this example, someone on an anonymous imageboard said 'This thing that was previously inoffensive is now racist and offensive' and the meme propagated. If people don't respond to it, it dies.

ghostoffuffle  ·  2523 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't wanna jump into this mudpit

but

"we should aspire to be harder to offend" sounds like the rallying cry of a group of people who've enjoyed the benefit of generally not having a bunch of bad shit dumped on them.

I don't particularly think we should try to be more offended, but not responding to shitty behavior is its own sort of poison. We're beyond an age (if ever there was one) where you can just ignore it 'till it goes away. Think it's more constructive to aspire to be as decent a people as we can. That involves not cheerleading intentionally offensive rhetoric (no matter how facetious) AND calling people out when they do so

kleinbl00  ·  2523 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    This is usually an inoffensive process.

[citation needed]

    We should aspire to be harder to offend.

So that those who excel at offensiveness must struggle harder?

    If people don't respond to it, it dies.

Right. If I don't tell my neighbor kid to stop throwing rocks at my windows, eventually he'll get bored, right?

It is the function of society to police its own boundaries, not to assume that no one will be affected if the worst among us are allowed to run rampant.

Freedom of speech is allowing the bottom-dwellers of 4chan to call each other whatever names they want. It's also allowing everyone else to tell them that it's decidedly not okay.

It's not okay.

OftenBen  ·  2523 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    So that those who excel at offensiveness must struggle harder?

Yes.

    If I don't tell my neighbor kid to stop throwing rocks at my windows, eventually he'll get bored, right?

Whose glass was broken because some people started throwing up 'OK' ?

If someone is directly harmed. If violent action is taken, that's one matter.

If a group of shitty middle schoolers suddenly decided that a given phrase or common part of speech actually means 'dicks' that does not mean that word changes meaning, unless everyone else acknowledges it and changes the way they behave because of it.

Call them idiots and move on.

kleinbl00  ·  2523 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A skilled rhetorician is one who can answer and defeat the argument of the opponent. A dishonest rhetorician is one who deflects, demurs, and ignores the arguments he can't win.

Your argument was that 4chan should be allowed to use offensive language because in a perfect world, no one would be offended by language. By your own assertion, those who excel at offensiveness must struggle harder, rather than those who are offended appreciating the moral right to be offended. Yet when asked for examples of how the process of linguistic change is usually painless, you are silent as fuck.

You're right of course. The United NiXXer College Fund is a well known niXXer charity, the KXke Defamation League keeps the Ashkenazi from prejudicial violence and one of my buddies in Los Angeles has a string of very successful gXXk restaurants because we live in a perfect world where language has no power.

    Whose glass was broken because some people started throwing up 'OK' ?

I love this style of rhetoric, too. "I'm sorry, I'm too stupid to understand your argument therefore everyone else is, too." It's like anti-logos. And the dumb thing is, you don't even see the counterargument fucking coming. it's like

"Hi, there. I'm gonna set up a Godwin's Law trap where the fucking name of the counterargument is out there in plain view. Care to step in it?"

"sure! Because I'm so blinded by my need to defend the rights of anyone to offend everyone that I'm not even going to consider historical precedent!"

"Great. Have some Nazis. Thank you, drive through."

And I'm truly sorry to have to bat you around like a fucking mouse, but jesus fucking christ, language can be offensive otherwise what would be the point? You are taking the logical position that those parts of linguistics we disagree with we should ignore as if it wasn't a statement of deep ignorance and you should feel bad.

user-inactivated  ·  2524 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    hint: the detractors are correct

Subtle.

Kinda makes you wonder where /r/The_Donald got their views from.

kleinbl00  ·  2524 days ago  ·  link  ·  

user-inactivated  ·  2524 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Jesus Christ. I already have a bag-of-holding worth of stuff to read.

am_Unition  ·  2525 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's effectively replaced the word "retarded", which is not exactly progress, if more people are autistic and the rates are increasing. Hard to tell, since an increased awareness biases towards more diagnoses, which of course means I'M DONE HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE + SCIENCE IS = 2 "NO" 4 ME