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kleinbl00  ·  2570 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: When the Irish Weren’t White

    But there is a simpler, less complex explanation for how this country eventually came to view the Irish as regular, good, American white people:

    They just did it.

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There's an even simpler explanation: The Germans came. Then the Poles. Then the Italians. Then the Chinese. Those dirty immigrants? They may be taking your job but your kids are also playing with their kids. Then they're going to grow up and bitch about someone else taking their jobs.

All immigrants must be treated like absolute dogshit for one generation. Those are the rules worldwide. Kids born there get to be pissy about how their parents were mistreated but are generally orders of magnitude better off. Their kids? Those are full-fledged citizens. The trick is in who chooses your identity - yourself or the neighborhood. if you get to identify as a Chinese-American, you win. If your neighborhood identifies you as Chinese in America you lose.

Blacks are fucked under this system because few of them chose to immigrate, therefore their second-class status has been semi-perpetual. This is one reason why modern blacks favor better in the Commonwealth, although it isn't all wine and roses. Jews also fare poorly because they integrate less than other ethnic groups.





katakowsj  ·  2570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

How about we, as a humans, decide to stop being assholes to the new guy in town? Maybe we can be intolerant bastards to the jackoffs that have no sense of the history of the crazy terrible stuff that we humans have convinced ourselves was at one time righteous.

I know I've got plenty that I can do better.

kleinbl00  ·  2570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's a lovely thought. It truly is. As a student of history, allow me to point out that compared to how we were even a few decades ago we're kicking ass? And that a few decades ago rips ass over a hundred years ago? And a hundred years ago rips ass on two hundred years ago?

The thing is, people who don't care don't make the news.

Thing is? That's a dickish sign. It should be remembered. But all the signs that don't say "irish need not apply" are forgotten because they were irrelevant. It's the loudmouth with an opinion we all notice, not the folks that couldn't care less where you're from and it's getting harder to be a loudmouth.

...well it was until November. However I see this as a temporary hiccup on a long arc towards general tolerance. And no matter how you look at it, the longer you've lived somewhere the likelier you are to have friends there to stick up for you.

thenewgreen  ·  2570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is likelier the right way of saying that? Wouldn't it be "more likely?"

You ever have those moments when you can't remember how to spell a simple word, or use a phrase and your brain is wrestling with itself over it?

I'm having that moment, right now, with "likelier."

kleinbl00  ·  2570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

pssst

I often deliberately mangle the English language for fun'n'profit

thenewgreen  ·  2570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No doubt. But I literally couldn't figure out which was right. You ever have that?

kleinbl00  ·  2570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

only when being second-guessed by pedants