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kleinbl00  ·  2667 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Tesla’s Electric Cars Aren’t as Green as You Might Think

Behold the Friedman Doctrine.

No less than Saint Milton himself argued that corporations have an ethical responsibility to not only prioritize profits over all else, but to flagrantly disregard everything but profit as the corporation has no mechanism of social governance. Friedman held that it was the responsibility of government to reign in corporations, and if government happened to be flat-footed and shitty at it that didn't prove that the system was flawed, it proved that society doesn't really want, you know, clean air.

your article.





user-inactivated  ·  2667 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Funny to see this in a car thread, but it was the Dodge Brothers 100 years ago that fought for profits over all else. Was reading up on that case over the vacation.

kleinbl00  ·  2667 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's a decidedly rosy portrayal of Henry Ford and a decidedly uncharitable portrayal of the Dodge brothers. Realistically, the decision was "you don't get to fuck over minority shareholders just because they're minority."

The Dodge brothers made parts for everybody but Ford promised them a piece of the company if they stopped making parts for everybody else. So they did. Then, when they'd been making Model T engines for 10 years without making as much money as if they'd never started working for Ford at all, they had to take Henry Ford to court to compel him to use some of his capital surplus to fucking pay them back. When Ford lost he shipped a judgement's worth of parts to his dealers - collect, invoice due on receipt - and said "fuck you, you have a service department now, also, blame the Dodge Brothers because they're evil."

There's a real temptation to paint Ford as a humanitarian. He wasn't. He was a fascist who understood the cult of personality.

user-inactivated  ·  2667 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    There's a real temptation to paint Ford as a humanitarian. He wasn't. He was a fascist who understood the cult of personality.

The way I explain it to people? Ford was Steve Jobs, but with cars. And for those out there thinking that the "he was a fascist" is inflammatory? He was a fascist He worked with the Nazis all the way until 1941. This included the use of POW's and slave labour.

The reason I point to this case is that I watched something on that evil twisted ass Carl Ichan over the long slog at home. He touted this case as his starting point to stand for the poor billionaire investors who where so ever wronged by the regulations and unions. Icahn is now on the Trump team to advise on regulatory and labour reform. That makes him deplorable number what? 10,000 or so?

kleinbl00  ·  2667 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ahhhh... So that's Icahn's view of the Dodge Brothers ruling. It seemed an awfully... corporate interpretation for you to hold. And considering Icahn is basically the poster boy of "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" when it comes to boards, I can totally see it being his.

I wouldn't have drawn the parallel with Steve Jobs, personally. But then I thought about it a little and I see your point.