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user-inactivated  ·  2669 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Early analysis of Seattleā€™s $15 wage law: Effect on prices minimal one year after implementation

The math is pretty simple for larger businesses.

Let's say you run a medium retail store that has 10 people an hour to run the place. Those 10 people who all get a raise of roughly $7 an hour. Let's say you move 200 units an hour. To break even, all you have to is raise the average price of your items by only 35 cents. Some higher price items will see a slightly bigger jump, smaller items, less. Either way, most people aren't gonna freak out about 35 cents.

Let's say you run a grocery store that has 50 people and let's say they all get the same $7 raise. Grocery stores move a lot more, but we will be conservative and say they move about 3,500 units an hour. That's only a 10 cent average raise in price per item to counteract those raises.

How would things like taxes and other benefits factor in? I don't know. But to say that raising wages would affect prices astronomically when no body says shit about raises in rent, utilities, shipping costs etc., strikes me as dishonest.





kleinbl00  ·  2669 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Target has pointed out in the past that its biggest single line item expense (other than inventory)isn't wages, isn't benefits, but is credit card fees.

ButterflyEffect and I had drinks at a bar in Seattle last year that had a sign on the wall that said something like "prices include a 15% surcharge to provide our servers a $15/hour living wage." It made the math pretty simple: tip nominally as your server is no longer living off tips.

I'd be curious as to cgod's thoughts. He's in a retail reality that I happily will never inhabit. I did an episode of Bar Rescue where Tapper was saying things like

"You've got two thousand dollars a month in rent." (check!)

"You're a quarter million dollars in debt." (likely to be check!)

"You've got 30,000 cars a day in front of this business." (We've got closer to 50k)

"Isn't that suffocating?"

That's when I realized these poor sonsobitches needed to make their nut one order of buffalo wings at a time... rather than needing to make two four-thousand-dollar sales a month. I said some likely dumb shit about coffee back before cgod opened a shop; I'm curious how dumb my shit actually was.

cgod  ·  2668 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't understand how credit card fees could take that big a chunk out of their ass. I get a lot of cash business, often over half. At the end of the year Square will soak me for about 1% of what I bring in, less than coffee or milk.

snoodog  ·  2655 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I assume the cc soak the same 2% except their per item margins are lower. If their margins are 10% then cc fees eat up a large chunk of then before they even start paying for lights and labor

katakowsj  ·  2669 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dumb? I'd disagree. Unaware seems to fit better.

At least you have the cojones to make it known now. That's a very Hubski thing to do.

katakowsj  ·  2669 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, I agree that working in retail like cgod has to be tough as hell. I'm unaware of how he does it. From the sound of it, he sure knows what he''s doing.

cgod  ·  2669 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have no idea what I'm doing, I just keep making coffee.

It's not tough, just bullshit em, put on another record, try and enjoy and be nice to people.

katakowsj  ·  2655 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No idea what you're doing? Well, our lives are more alike than I thought then.

kleinbl00  ·  2669 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This post

Has some great statistics about how, as small businesses go, coffee shops are stunningly survivable. That said, having been through the tenant improvement wringer I have gained a lot of respect for businesses that attempt to make their nut off of simple retail markup.

user-inactivated  ·  2669 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's a reason I left restaurants out on purpose. ;)